Andrew Gaff

[SFebes 4,884]

North list manager saying North was the only club to sit down and talk to Gaff apparently.

[Cards13 9,117]

Ouch... far out that is brutal for North. 

[markc 975]

20 minutes ago, SFebes said:

North list manager saying North was the only club to sit down and talk to Gaff apparently.

and he still said NO to them ....

 

dont forget this was us a few years ago , we chased many players and most said no . Just North put it out in the open , sill if you ask me to do it via the media 

[What 18,810]

8 minutes ago, markc said:

dont forget this was us a few years ago , we chased many players and most said no . Just North put it out in the open , sill if you ask me to do it via the media 

Too true.

Melbourne has always had the potential to be a glamour side though.  Maybe its the colours, or the fact we are named after the capital city?  I dont know.

All I know is North will always be North.

[Lucifers Hero 39,586]

Not directly about Gaff but Eagles thinking of matching Port's FA offer for Lycett.

Possibly, just a ploy to force Port into a trade.  Smart thinking by Eagles; Lycett stays or they get a decent pick they can then use as part of a Kelly trade or to trade in another ruckman.

 

Edited October 8, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[Moonshadow 17,675]

5 hours ago, SFebes said:

North list manager saying North was the only club to sit down and talk to Gaff apparently.

Yes, but most of the work in the lead up is done through discussions with their manager. 

Anyway, as if Norf would know who Gaff speaks to...

Edited October 8, 2018 by Moonshadow

[SFebes 4,884]

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

Yes, but most of the work in the lead up is done through discussions with their manager. 

Anyway, as if Norf would know who Gaff speaks to...

How can I take you seriously moondog when you can't even count properly

[Aus in Engerland 75]

10 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Melbourne has always had the potential to be a glamour side though.  Maybe its the colours, or the fact we are named after the capital city?  I dont know.

All I know is North will always be North.

I think that's some of it. Melbourne has the name tied up. Despite a lack of success in my lifetime (yes, I'm over 50), it still rings as more of a 'real club' for some reason. Norf is Norf and St Kilda are St Kilda, but Melbourne is for some reason more. Just more.

I think another part is the home ground. It is after all the Melbourne CG, not the Collingwood (see I swore and got away with it) Cricket Ground, or despite what they think, the Richmond CG.

And, again despite the continuous failure, you have a decent number of supporters. Certainly more than Norf or the Saints.

Edited October 8, 2018 by Aus in Engerland

[Coq au vin 755]

10 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Too true.

Melbourne has always had the potential to be a glamour side though.  Maybe its the colours, or the fact we are named after the capital city?  I dont know.

All I know is North will always be North.

They’ve won a few premierships in the past 54 years. Unlike us.

[Coq au vin 755]

33 minutes ago, Aus in Engerland said:

I think that's some of it. Melbourne has the name tied up. Despite a lack of success in my lifetime (yes, I'm over 50), it still rings as more of a 'real club' for some reason. Norf is Norf and St Kilda are St Kilda, but Melbourne is for some reason more. Just more.

I think another part is the home ground. It is after all the Melbourne CG, not the Collingwood (see I swore and got away with it) Cricket Ground, or despite what they think, the Richmond CG.

And, again despite the continuous failure, you have a decent number of supporters. Certainly more than Norf or the Saints.

Which team do you support?

[Aus in Engerland 75]

7 hours ago, President Dee Trump said:

Which team do you support?

WC. I joined to discuss the Prelim (before it was played) as I find it instructive to see what real supporters are thinking. And I consider that, unlike some groups of supporters, MFC ones are generally human and worth conversing with. I try to be fair in all posts. I think that genuine support is to be admired and abuse, trolling and derision are unacceptable. I have not and will not gloat over the prelim result or the GF, even though I am ecstatic over how the team played. Nor will I shy away from my joy over season 2018.

I am aware that I am effectively a guest/visitor and it is not my place to abuse posters or the MFC. 

At WC, we had a number of foreign posters, (Graham Gaunt is one from MFC I remember) who were welcome under the same rules I apply to myself. I felt that the good ones added to the site and I was happy to have them there.

As for Gaff I think that this has ended up reasonably well for both WC and Norf. WC get to keep an elite player and Norf get to keep the silly money they were offering. If he had gone to Norf it would have been a lose/lose. WC would have lost a top player and got rubbish compo and Norf would have tied up a huge part of their TPP on one player. When you add Polac and Hall to Gaff it would have been about $3mill per annum over just 3 players (1.0M+0.7M+1.3M). That is about 22% of your TPP on just 3 guys, which is madness for the rest of the list.

[old55 23,384]

6 minutes ago, Aus in Engerland said:

WC. I joined to discuss the Prelim (before it was played) as I find it instructive to see what real supporters are thinking. And I consider that, unlike some groups of supporters, MFC ones are generally human and worth conversing with. I try to be fair in all posts. I think that genuine support is to be admired and abuse, trolling and derision are unacceptable. I have not and will not gloat over the prelim result or the GF, even though I am ecstatic over how the team played. Nor will I shy away from my joy over season 2018.

I am aware that I am effectively a guest/visitor and it is not my place to abuse posters or the MFC. 

At WC, we had a number of foreign posters, (Graham Gaunt is one from MFC I remember) who were welcome under the same rules I apply to myself. I felt that the good ones added to the site and I was happy to have them there.

As for Gaff I think that this has ended up reasonably well for both WC and Norf. WC get to keep an elite player and Norf get to keep the silly money they were offering. If he had gone to Norf it would have been a lose/lose. WC would have lost a top player and got rubbish compo and Norf would have tied up a huge part of their TPP on one player. When you add Polac and Hall to Gaff it would have been about $3mill per annum over just 3 players (1.0M+0.7M+1.3M). That is about 22% of your TPP on just 3 guys, which is madness for the rest of the list.

Good post - you're very welcome here from my POV.

I agree and was hoping for that lose-lose outcome.

[old55 23,384]

Norf poster at Big Footy referring to him as Andrew Gagf.

[Demonland 71,535]

11 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Norf poster at Big Footy referring to him as Andrew Gagf.

And on that note.. now that the Gaff saga is over, this is moving back to the main Demonland board.

[McQueen 17,864]

On 10/10/2018 at 2:11 PM, Demonland said:

And on that note.. now that the Gaff saga is over, this is moving back to the main Demonland board.

Maybe worth moving back Andy?

With Kelly wanting to get to the the Eagles, can we be the conduit to allow that to happen with pick 2??

At a basic level:

MFC trade pick 2 to WCE

WCE give us Gaff and 13

WCE trade pick 2 to GFC

Kelly lands at Eagles

West Coast need to cough up a good player to land Tim Kelly and the only way I can see it happening is to offload a similarly handy player who might see a move back east as having merit.

I understand Gaff signed long term at the end of last year on the back of a very emotional period for him but as well know it means little given the Brad Hill scenario and countless other contract backflips.

What are people’s thoughts?

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

14 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Maybe worth moving back Andy?

With Kelly wanting to get to the the Eagles, can we be the conduit to allow that to happen with pick 2??

At a basic level:

MFC trade pick 2 to WCE

WCE give us Gaff and 13

WCE trade pick 2 to GFC

Kelly lands at Eagles

West Coast need to cough up a good player to land Tim Kelly and the only way I can see it happening is to offload a similarly handy player who might see a move back east as having merit.

I understand Gaff signed long term at the end of last year on the back of a very emotional period for him but as well know it means little given the Brad Hill scenario and countless other contract backflips.

What are people’s thoughts?

is he worth pick 2 Steve, compared to the (gun) 18 year old we can take?

I only saw 3-4 Meth Coke games this year

[McQueen 17,864]

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

is he worth pick 2 Steve, compared to the (gun) 18 year old we can take?

I only saw 3-4 Meth Coke games this year

That’s a very good question and is why added the Eagles pick 13 into the equation.

Gaff is still in his prime and we’d get 4 years of excellent value from him imv.

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

4 minutes ago, McQueen said:

That’s a very good question and is why added the Eagles pick 13 into the equation.

Gaff is still in his prime and we’d get 4 years of excellent value from him imv.

 

If we got back Pick 13 then I'd be all for it.  Pick 2 on it's own... not sure.

But I'm hoping that we are looking at a plethora of deals for Pick 2.  I have no doubt there will be numerous teams outside of GWS who will be knocking on our door about it.

[Dee Watcher 71]

Does Gaff help us in the areas we need like run, carry & disposal

[McQueen 17,864]

2 minutes ago, Dee Watcher said:

Does Gaff help us in the areas we need like run, carry & disposal

Umm....

Never watched the bloke?

[ding 5,126]

10 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Umm....

Never watched the bloke?

Well, in his defence, his name isnt "Westcoke watcher".

[binman 42,642]

15 minutes ago, Dee Watcher said:

Does Gaff help us in the areas we need like run, carry & disposal

Yes x a million.

 

If i was to choose one player in the league to come to the dees it would be a toss up between Gaff and Kelly

[McQueen 17,864]

5 minutes ago, ding said:

Well, in his defence, his name isnt "Westcoke watcher".

I’m kinda thinking it was a rhetorical question. 

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Maybe worth moving back Andy?

With Kelly wanting to get to the the Eagles, can we be the conduit to allow that to happen with pick 2??

At a basic level:

MFC trade pick 2 to WCE

WCE give us Gaff and 13

WCE trade pick 2 to GFC

Kelly lands at Eagles

West Coast need to cough up a good player to land Tim Kelly and the only way I can see it happening is to offload a similarly handy player who might see a move back east as having merit.

I understand Gaff signed long term at the end of last year on the back of a very emotional period for him but as well know it means little given the Brad Hill scenario and countless other contract backflips.

What are people’s thoughts?

Won't be happening, sounds good from our end but would anyone from the Eagles swap Gaff for Kelly? I'd say no, so there'd be no way they'd do that deal, unless Gaff changed his mind and was now desperate to return to Vic. There's nothing to suggest that West Coast need to cough up a good player to get Kelly, they have signed Nic Nat on a reduced deal and Kennedy is nearly finished so his wage has dropped, they might lose a few fringe players, like the tigers have over the last few years but don't need to move on any of their god players to make it happen - unfortunately because the above has merit from our end.

Edited September 16, 2019 by Red and Blue realist

[Ethan Tremblay 30,826]

I’d do that deal in a heartbeat but I just can’t see Gaff wanting to move.