Andrew Gaff

[Gator 17,504]

I keep hearing that Brayshaw is a teenager.  His age in this incident is completely irrelevant.

[Jaded No More 68,974]

2 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I think the outrage is because the victim is 18 and the damage done so severe. Not being able to eat solids for a month and 4 displaced teeth. It was a very forceful hit. 

I wonder if he was wearing a mouth guard.

He was. When he came to the bench you could see him pointing to it and they almost didn't want to take it out as it was obviously keeping the teeth in place. Makes me feel sick thinking about it!

 

[Bobby McKenzie 2,391]

5 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Are you imagining this, or can you provide quotes that support this assertion ?

Just read the whole thread to find them for yourself.

[MurDoc516 1,529]

2 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

You wouldn't be affected if that was done to your brother?  Andrew physically and Angus mentally. Must be a terrible situation for Hamish too.

It's a tough situation. I'd firstly be concerned about my brothers health.

We also have to remember this wasn't some random bloke. It was a fellow player who has been held in high regard throughout his career as model pro and good guy. I'm sure Angus, Andrew and Hamish would all look at the situation differently to how we do because it's a unique one to them.

If Andrew Brayshaw accepts Gaff's apology than it's over as far as i am concerned.  

[Sir Why You Little 37,195]

11 minutes ago, McQueen said:

What month was that?

I need to work out if I was born or still a foetus in order to answer it accurately.

I don’t find any of this humorous at all

 

[MurDoc516 1,529]

6 minutes ago, Jaded said:

This incident does raise for me the need for a red card system. It will rarely get used, but when something like this goes down, how is it fair that one team is down a player while the player who took him down is still able to run out the match?

It would have made no difference to this actual game, but what if someone did that to Oliver in the first minutes of a GF? Would you want that player to keep playing while we were down one? 

There has to be some sort of system to deal with these unusually awful incident in game. 

The red card system needs to be balanced. You can't have players being red carded because they accidentally bumped someone in the head and that guy is off for the game because of concussion. It needs to be done only for purposeful or terrible acts within a game (Gaff, Hall, Cameron and Bugg) and not for incidents like let's say the tackle on J. Smith on the weekend. However, knowing the AFL it will become a big controversy within a week of it being implemented.

[Diamond_Jim 12,629]

2 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

It's a tough situation. I'd firstly be concerned about my brothers health.

We also have to remember this wasn't some random bloke. It was a fellow player who has been held in high regard throughout his career as model pro and good guy. I'm sure Angus, Andrew and Hamish would all look at the situation differently to how we do because it's a unique one to them.

If Andrew Brayshaw accepts Gaff's apology than it's over as far as i am concerned.  

So you and the media as well are going to stick the responsibility on an 18 year old kid. Can you imagine the pressure that will be brought to bear on him to achieve just the outcome you have posited.

Judge the perpetrator ... not the victim

[chook fowler 19,585]

Gaff was so obviously in shock after it happened that I doubt he has any understanding of how and why it happened. Purely a subconscious reflex act but no excusing it and requires a big penalty. Chances are he was not in a good mental space going into the game and snapped and I hope he seeks help.

[McQueen 17,867]

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I don’t find any of this humorous at all

 

Well stop trying to draw ridiculous comparisons with events that happened 45 years ago.

[Sir Why You Little 37,195]

Just now, McQueen said:

Well stop trying to draw ridiculous comparisons with events that happened 45 years ago.

Same type of incident

Greening never fully recovered, nothing ridiculous about that at all

[jnrmac 20,189]

22 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Read the entire thread and you will see who they are for yourself. McQueen for starters?

You made the statement that posters were almost condoning the thuggery and I said bull shite. Because it is. No one here has done that.

 

[MurDoc516 1,529]

1 minute ago, Diamond_Jim said:

So you and the media as well are going to stick the responsibility on an 18 year old kid. Can you imagine the pressure that will be brought to bear on him to achieve just the outcome you have posited.

Judge the perpetrator ... not the victim

Firstly should we all wait till he is 40 for him to make a decision? 

He is under 0 pressure to accept an apology. He has the entire football world on his side and if he said no sorry i don't accept the apology than that's fine.
 

I also don't get where you think im judging anybody? 

[dimmy 1,308]

1 hour ago, MSFebey said:

Some people are carrying on that badly that it's almost like he's standing trial for manslaughter. 

I agree, but by the law of the land ,there are people doing time for öne punch "actions and are vilified as such. The same principles should apply to sports people who do not discipline themselves and in a moment of "madness" change their own life and the victims . I have no doubt that Andrew Gaff would do things differently if he had thought things through.

[Crompton's the man 659]

14 hours ago, SaberFang said:

Ridiculous, especially considering Andrew's the best looking of the bunch!

 

 

 

From the looks of this photo, the mouth guard has done its job and the lower jaw which is not covered by the mouth guard has been broken.

Teeth involved in the fracture line (apparently) have been removed.

It’s a shocking injury and I think that’s why some people (but not others) become slightly emotional 

 

[jnrmac 20,189]

6 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

You made the statement that posters were almost condoning the thuggery and I said bull shite. Because it is. No one here has done that.

 

@Bobby McKenzie I have just read every one of @McQueen's posts on the topic. You made this up. In fact he specifically states he does not condone the actions.

Best you just withdraw your statement for the fake news it is and apologise to McQueen. 

[deanox 10,016]

4 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

The biggest problem I have with the current AFL MRO and tribunal is that it is outcome based and not action based.

Actions can be controlled, outcomes cannot.

I'm firmly in the camp that if you intentionally hit or strike a player, no matter how hard then a suspension should be enforced (as a starting point) and not just a fine.  Additional weeks are then added for any injuries sustained as a result.

Exactly.  This isn't a crude spoiling attempt or a mistimed bump executed at 30km per hour.  We're aren't talking body on body bumping or pushing. 

We are talking about deliberate strikes,  irrespective of to the body or head, that are designed to hurt, intimidate, incapacitate and have no other relation to the game. 

Hawkins on Fritsch. Rance on Watts. Steele on Oliver.  None of these acts were football related and if they are accepted, it isn't surprising that occasionally one of these goes horribly wrong. 

These guys are peak physical specimens, taught to play on instinct and aggression, making split second decisions rather than pausing to assess consequences. It is a fine line between a pec bruise and a broken jaw.

The problem is the act not the outcome. And the act should be punished regardless of how bad the impact is.

 

[MurDoc516 1,529]

 

This is a situation that is vastly different to any before it. 

 

[Dee Zephyr 19,269]

Has anyone noticed Gaff placing his right arm behind Brayshaw’s back/shoulder right before the hit? 

Didn’t leave Brayshaw much room to manoeuvre even if he saw the hit coming. IMO this was a deliberate act to hurt him in some way. 

[FireInTheBennelly 4,099]

4 minutes ago, deanox said:

Exactly.  This isn't a crude spoiling attempt or a mistimed bump executed at 30km per hour.  We're aren't talking body on body bumping or pushing. 

We are talking about deliberate strikes,  irrespective of to the body or head, that are designed to hurt, intimidate, incapacitate and have no other relation to the game. 

Hawkins on Fritsch. Rance on Watts. Steele on Oliver.  None of these acts were football related and if they are accepted, it isn't surprising that occasionally one of these goes horribly wrong. 

These guys are peak physical specimens, taught to play on instinct and aggression, making split second decisions rather than pausing to assess consequences. It is a fine line between a pec bruise and a broken jaw.

The problem is the act not the outcome. And the act should be punished regardless of how bad the impact is.

 

I've been saying this for a while. It's been brewing all year with all of the off the ball aggression we've seen. Umpires and officials have just let it go and it's only inevitable that it will get out of control. I said at the time, if fans see all of this and it's deemed ok, then fans will think it's ok for them, and that's what will trigger crowd aggression, leading to violence.

You can probably add to that the umpire bias towards the WCE at home, and Gaff subconsciously thought he'd just get away with it.

Enough is enough. Start paying the free kicks, and start suspending players for these off the ball jabs etc.

I can tell you where it all started getting out of control as well. Richmond last year came out at the start of every game swinging. They were allowed to do it and ended up with a flag. It's a free for all now, unless you're Clayton Oliver of course.

[SFebes 4,884]

5 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

 

This is a situation that is vastly different to any before it. 

 

Wow, talk about a curve ball. Gaff is mates with both of them. Obviously had a complete brain snap.

[jules7 792]

6 minutes ago, Crompton's the man said:

 

 

From the looks of this photo, the mouth guard has done its job and the lower jaw which is not covered by the mouth guard has been broken.

Teeth involved in the fracture line (apparently) have been removed.

It’s a shocking injury and I think that’s why some people (but not others) become slightly emotional 

 

Poor Kid, no mother should see her son looking like this, especially as a result of playing a football game.  Totally unnecessary with long lasting consequences, for both Andrew and his Mum.

[chook fowler 19,585]

You’ve got to love Lethal calling for police involvement. Wonder if there is a statute of limitations of the McMullin incident?

[DeeZee 7,445]

Anything less than an 8 week suspension would be an injustice

[FireInTheBennelly 4,099]

Has anyone seen mention of Gaff reaching out to the Brayshaws? A la the serial pest and overall evil individual Thomas Bugg.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,099]

1 minute ago, chook fowler said:

You’ve got to love Lethal calling for police involvement. Wonder if there is a statute of limitations of the McMullin incident?

Hilarious isn't it. I'm surprised Barry Hall hasn't done the same, although he's probably still locked in his room.