Post Match Discussion - Round 4

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

We can’t play both Vince and Lewis anymore in the same game. 

[bing181 9,193]

Losing the tackle count 113 - 74 has nothing to do with Goodwin.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

3 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Losing the tackle count 113 - 74 has nothing to do with Goodwin.

Well actually it does when we play a game without wings or play with a loose behind the ball and have our forward half completely clogged up while they run into open space in their half.

Edited April 15, 2018 by Watts the matter

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

55 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Money as absolutely nothing to do with the fact swyl.  nothing to do with it.

Its a human condition. anxiety.

 

Now we can add our anxiety out aloud to our players, and they will double up with there own.

Or we can leave our negatives at the gate of the stadium, and make a promise to ourselves that we will not take our fears out on our boys,,, but transfer that fear, into anger against the opposition.

 

Then we can add to the teams efforts instead of loading with our stuff.

 

We need to be LOUD, but not AT our team;  rather be loud & With them in support.

Quit the “New Age” Powerpoint Presentation Deeluded

this is not a Daylesford Yoga Class we are talking about, it’s the oldest Football Club in the ? world, and it’s time the players put some balls on the line for the club and the Members. 

Supporters get [censored] off with insipid useless performances dished up by the Football Department on a semi reguliar basis, and why the hell not. That wasn’t even VFL Standard today. 

But you will tell me it is the fault of the Northern Stand no doubt. 

Yes we 10, 20, 30 year members are all to blame, because the players feel the bad vibes coming at them. 

Let me tell you something. 

UNTIL WE GET THE BEST CAPTAIN IN THE GAME TO OUR CLUB, and i mean fierce competitor, this club will go nowhere, as it has for the last 54 years. 

Did you clap the boys off today and cuddle them Deeluded??

Edited April 15, 2018 by Sir Why You Little

[zeldacat 53]

It's one thing to put in a pitiful performance but to turn around at the end of the game and have a chit chat and carry on and a bum tap with players for the opposition who have just pulled your pants down....again....for the last 10yrs..is a disgrace. Get off the ground and sort out this [censored] with your teammates and coaches and fair dinkum don't hold back with your honesty and disgust with each other.  This is [censored]. Enough of these insipid games.

[Demons1858 1,742]

People can be disappointed about our performance today but we shouldn't be surprised as it continues the within game inconsistency we have witnessed so far this season and the last season or two prior.

All teams have periods where things don't go perfectly but we go completely missing in parts of all our games. Against half decent sides like Hawthorn and Geelong the game will be taken away from you. Against younger developing side like the Lions and the Kanga's we can still win games with the talented list we have, but it papers over the cracks.

[Demons1858 1,742]

Imagine what the final result might have been had Rioli, Frawley and Puopolo not been injured and unwell.

All 3 are quality players but it also hampered the Hawks ability to rotate players in wet conditions.

[Demon trucker 1,800]

It was just a bad day at the office, the hawks are still full of premiership players, the next 2 weeks will see where we are at, Jones was wasted today we lost his drive today, what tactic is I that wasting our best ball mover and letting slow brain fade Vince lose, Vince is only good to the team as a tagger he is too old and slow, he is getting a game because he his Goodwins mate.

[DeeZee 7,361]

9 hours ago, jnrmac said:

You said mental application wasn't our problem in that game, I say it was 100% our problem cos we didn't lay a tackle in the first 15 mins

Feel free to continue arguing against the unarguable.

A game of AFL goes a lot longer than 15 minutes buddy, or hadn’t you noticed that?

I use yesterday’s game as exhibit one.

[Diamond_Jim 12,529]

8 hours ago, america de cali said:

We can’t play both Vince and Lewis anymore in the same game. 

tending to agree with you but out of interest who do you suggest from the VFL and what is that person's role.

I suspect the answer is Salem and that his midfield place is taken by Viney but in the meantime any other suggestions.

Posted elsewhere that we simply have to play a more defensive game against Richmond if we are to have any chance. Funnily enough I am resolved to a loss against the Tigers but we don't need another thrashing.

67 odd points on a wet day... boy that was bad.

[What 18,810]

Just want to acknowledge the performance and the improvement of Oscar McDonald.

He has real been a bright spot so far in 2018, seems like a completely new player.

[beelzebub 23,313]

1 minute ago, Petraccattack said:

Just want to acknowledge the performance and the improvement of Oscar McDonald.

He has real been a bright spot so far in 2018, seems like a completely new player.

I somewhat concur. There was a point yesterday I thought to self well thankgod for Oscar...and then thought. ...my god...has it come to that !! lol

But truthfully...he played ok in the main and seemed among the most composed. He didn't have a lot of mates down there did he.

[What 18,810]

32 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

 

67 odd points on a wet day... boy that was bad.

And we were all pitying the Lions for not kicking a goal for almost three quarters and getting flogged in the wet against the reigning premier interstate.

Our performance was way, way worse.

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

Putting the cue in the rack turned a 4 point loss to a metaphorical 8 points loss  That lost percentage sees 4 teams leapfrog us. This result was a disaster. 

Edited April 15, 2018 by america de cali

[Wiseblood 24,637]

The back line at the moment is a shambles, I think we can all agree on that.

But I also think the back line is being left exposed too often by the game plan.  By pushing most of our players up the ground in the hope that we can lock it in our forward line and score goals, we then leave our back line open to the counter attack and we look ridiculous when it happens.  Lever was supposed to be the sort of player who would help in this regard, but teams are manning him up and making him more accountable which limits his ability to be the player we want him to be.

Not only that, but our midfield takes some of the blame with this also.  When we aren't pressuring and we aren't harrassing the ball carrier we allow the opposition very easy entries into our defensive 50.  We don't have enough time to push back and support, and thus we allow them to kick goals with ease while we struggle to get one for 10 minutes.

Goodwin has at least tried to develop his own game style, rather than copy someone else's, which is commendable, but he also needs to sit down this morning and realise that their are severe deficiencies within this style that need to be fixed as soon as possible.  To me, this will be either the making of him as a coach, or will see his tenure at the club end sooner than we all want it too.  If he can suck it up and make the changes he needs to, rather than being stubborn and just sticking with things the way they are, then I can see us moving forward positively as a club.  If not, then we'll see us win a few, lose a few and probably miss finals again.  That will be an unacceptable outcome for all involved.

And as others have mentioned, we need to get a proper second ruckman into the side.  I don't care if it's Pedersen, Weideman or even Mitch King for that matter.  We need someone who can be a positive part of the contest for us rather than a bloke who isn't even 190cms tall.

[beelzebub 23,313]

47 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

tending to agree with you but out of interest who do you suggest from the VFL and what is that person's role.

I suspect the answer is Salem and that his midfield place is taken by Viney but in the meantime any other suggestions.

Posted elsewhere that we simply have to play a more defensive game against Richmond if we are to have any chance. Funnily enough I am resolved to a loss against the Tigers but we don't need another thrashing.

67 odd points on a wet day... boy that was bad.

Rawlings in ...Simon out 

[beelzebub 23,313]

I think WB touches upon the nub. There are essentially two elements..or two sides of this coin.

Game plan, implementation.

Under these id also put appropriateness, flexibility, response , innovation and REALITY.

A tale of two Coaches yesterday.

Possible to say at games start there was not a lot between us. As it unfolded and Clarko could see his problems he thought, recast and adjusted. Compare to our mob who effectively kept to the same menu. Even after half time , when anyone with a modicum of wherewithal would realise what started well was failing miserably, that a rejig was not only desirable but necessary; what did we do ? Nada.

Simon left his lambs to be slaughtered.

Thats negligence. If a captain did that letting his ship founder on rocks he'd be up on charges.

Goodwin seems incapable or unwilling to adapt to need. 

God help us.

 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

9 hours ago, america de cali said:

We can’t play both Vince and Lewis anymore in the same game. 

Vince should have gone to Mitchell.

I do understand Jones doing it, however with Viney out we really needed Jones in the guts winning his own ball.

This would have allowed Petracca to spend more time forward which we needed.

[praha 11,234]

5 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Vince should have gone to Mitchell.

I do understand Jones doing it, however with Viney out we really needed Jones in the guts winning his own ball.

This would have allowed Petracca to spend more time forward which we needed.

It was a shocking, shocking oversight. 

Imagine sending your Captain to do a grunt's job. 

IMO we lost it the moment Jones went to Mitchell.

[DeeZee 7,361]

With both Viney and Tyson out, we really missed Jonesys ball getting ability in the Middle by using him as a tagger.

[Adam The God 30,126]

Jones tagging did not lose us the game. His ability to shut down Mitchell early and our better efficiency of ball movement and conversion had us well on top at quarter time. We didn't take all our chances there, but the plan was clearly working at quarter time.

Edited April 15, 2018 by A F

[Big Carl 333]

9 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Quit the “New Age” Powerpoint Presentation Deeluded

this is not a Daylesford Yoga Class we are talking about, it’s the oldest Football Club in the ? world, and it’s time the players put some balls on the line for the club and the Members. 

Supporters get [censored] off with insipid useless performances dished up by the Football Department on a semi reguliar basis, and why the hell not. That wasn’t even VFL Standard today. 

But you will tell me it is the fault of the Northern Stand no doubt. 

Yes we 10, 20, 30 year members are all to blame, because the players feel the bad vibes coming at them. 

Let me tell you something. 

UNTIL WE GET THE BEST CAPTAIN IN THE GAME TO OUR CLUB, and i mean fierce competitor, this club will go nowhere, as it has for the last 54 years. 

Did you clap the boys off today and cuddle them Deeluded??

Agree 100%.

It is that attitude that typifies this football club. That is why have have the longest premiership drought out of the traditional clubs. Culture is our biggest problem and it doesn't just sit with the players. Acceptance of mediocrity has gone on for far too long.

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

Due to a wedding I was only able to watch the game from quarter time. We looked way off the pace right from the start of the quarter. I was thinking how did we win that first quarter the way we were playing. Second to the ball, out tackled and terrible skills. Whatever happened at the break turned the game.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

My internet cut out at half time so I didn't get to enjoy the second half. Which is merciful not just because of the pounding we copped. But that game was modern footy at its absolute worst. Australian Rules Rugby. Packs of seagulls squabbling over a chip. If it wasn't the MFC playing I would have turned off anyway.

What I did see in the last 10 mins of the first quarter, and all of the second quarter, was this ...

Hawks were first to the ball

Hawks played in front

On a day when the ball is sliding around and skewing off boots, of course kicks aren't going to go where they're meant to.

So .... GET IN FRONT!!!

We're in a era of hyper-sexualised ... (sorry, my traumatised mind was wandering to a better place) hyper-analysed and sports medicine driven training and game plans.

But some things remain the same as in "the good old days".

Be first to the ball

Play in front

You can be Sheedy, Clarkson, and Albert Einstein rolled into one package, but if your players don't do those things, you're screwed.

Unbelievable that for all the talent we've got, we played like Neeld was coaching. I'm tempted to believe that his hard-man act would have got a better result yesterday.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,825]

If we’re going to bomb it into the 50 why don’t we bomb it long? We continually bomb it to around the 40m mark where we play behind our man. The opposition rebound and kick a goal. 

The i50 stat means nothing when our entries and the result are like this.