Pardon the pun. The will he or won't he play in Round 1 dance continues. 

 

Edited March 9, 20188 yr by Grapeviney

Quite frankly, despite the positive spin Viney is giving it, there's no hiding that the clubs extra precaution and added recovery time points to the fact that something's still not quite right with his foot.Whether it's causing him to pull up sore after each training session or causing discomfort during the session who knows but all this conjecture around him being ready or not has me very concerned.

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on it he won't suit up for round 1.

53 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Pardon the pun. The will he or won't he play in Round 1 dance continues. 

  

As we know, serious foot injuries can be season ending if not career ending. At very least, they can become chronic injuries that can affect a players career and week to week availability.

Given Viney's game style, his injury is a major concern.

I am not concerned about the first game, but the season and his immediate future.

There should be no doubts and no risks taken.

I hope that Saty and others who talk about the way the club now rehabs players are on the money.

Running training is one thing, but match play and a full season is another.

Please, no risks with Jack. 

I'd be happy to see him back in round 5 if it meant there was no further issues with his foot.

Cringeworthy to say, but ‘spiritually’ speaking, it’d be huge to have him play round 1 even if he’s slightly underdone.

His value to the side exceeds his game-day performance imo. Just like Selwood for Geelong. 

He’d lift his team mates, the crowd and he’d make certain opposition players nervous. 

Hopefully it’s not all just optimistic fluff.

In all likelihood this charade will continue well beyond round 1. The club has been less than honest from day 1 about this injury, and Jack seems no closer to actually taking the field than he did a month ago.

4 minutes ago, poita said:

In all likelihood this charade will continue well beyond round 1. The club has been less than honest from day 1 about this injury, and Jack seems no closer to actually taking the field than he did a month ago.

He’s clearly closer if he’s training with the main group.

3 minutes ago, poita said:

In all likelihood this charade will continue well beyond round 1. The club has been less than honest from day 1 about this injury, and Jack seems no closer to actually taking the field than he did a month ago.

Its obvious he did some serious damage last year, by coming back early and  considering what happened to Trengove, the whole thing is a major concern

Hopefully his career can resume very soon. 

41 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Quite frankly, despite the positive spin Viney is giving it, there's no hiding that the clubs extra precaution and added recovery time points to the fact that something's still not quite right with his foot.Whether it's causing him to pull up sore after each training session or causing discomfort during the session who knows but all this conjecture around him being ready or not has me very concerned.

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on it he won't suit up for round 1.

One would have to come to that conclusion; Viney is too valuable a player to muck around with just to have him on the ground. It horrifies me that he will be missing from the Geelong game, Rnd 1. It terrifies me that he could be risked with regards to his foot (any game is a risk in many ways) by allowing him to play.

If we have some depth, a special task or two needs to be allocated to several other players to compensate for Viney's absence, sensibly allowing Viney another week of rest. 

4 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I'd be happy to see him back in round 5 if it meant there was no further issues with his foot.

Totally agree. It's a long season, and his career is all in front of him.

I would rather miss him for 5 weeks, than have him struggle for the next 10 years with this injury.

There are some overreactions here.  

Viney is recovering from a stress fracture to his third metatarsal.  It usually doesn't require surgery and in Viney's case it didn't.  They're not uncommon and with rest they heal themselves.  Viney wouldn't be back in full training if he was suffering any significant complications.  If he was feeling pain he simply wouldn't be training.

It's taken longer than the usual 6-8 weeks to heal, because he must have felt pain late last year, which put his progress back.  Being pain free after two weeks of full training is a very good sign.  If he plays next week and recovers with no pain it will be a decision based on match fitness as to whether he plays.

If you google information on stress fractures to the third metatarsal there's a plethora of information.  I know this is his injury, because he said it on a club website interview.  From there I looked up the injury some weeks ago.

Edited March 8, 20188 yr by ProDee

6 minutes ago, ProDee said:

There are some overreactions here.  

 

From what I can see he has followed the timeline he told Saty in about November. I'm not aware of any major setbacks since then. The training reports since Jan have had him running flat out for 2 1/2 months now and he's back in the full training about when he said he would.  His plantafacia injury healed normally the consequent stress fracture was the set back. It's not one of those injuries like a navicular that can be career ending. Trenners injury has spooked us all but that's not what he's got. 

It's true you can't trust anything players or the Club say about injuries but hearing that he's done full training in the main group for about a month now and continues to says all I need to hear. 

For the season opener, is an (match) unfit Viney a better option than a match fit 23rd best player on the list?? That's for the match committee to decide.

I'd have him back for round 3. Give him 2 half Casey games followed by a full game on the easter weekend (round 2 AFL).

The club should be ultra conservative on this prized asset...unlike last year.

 

Would love to pull up previous post on his injury.  Anzac Eve match V Richmond this will be his return match

7 hours ago, poita said:

In all likelihood this charade will continue well beyond round 1. The club has been less than honest from day 1 about this injury, and Jack seems no closer to actually taking the field than he did a month ago.

What a ridiculous statement........there is no way anybody....no matter the medical qualifications they have can predict the exact return of a player from an injury......standard injuries....normal hamstring etc ....mandatory 3 weeks....however we are all individuals & no-one can predict how the body will react to different stressses.....so stop talking about conspiracy theories & just respect the medical experts & their professional judgements ....I would rather have Jack back fit even if it’s Round 5 rather than “in his words” not respecting his body enough & came back too early” .

13 hours ago, McQueen said:

Quite frankly, despite the positive spin Viney is giving it, there's no hiding that the clubs extra precaution....

8 months too late.

 

Self-inflicted stupidity or a case of the tail wagging the dog.  Take your pick.

 

Most injuries are said to be unlucky and undeserved.  Can’t say that this is one of them.

 

pTGR

20 hours ago, poita said:

In all likelihood this charade will continue well beyond round 1. The club has been less than honest from day 1 about this injury, and Jack seems no closer to actually taking the field than he did a month ago.

Will play for Casey next week. A solid run there and he is a lock for round 1

Absolutely will not play round 1.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-09/key-dee-to-miss-round-one

The right decision. Learning from the mistakes of last year.

Hoping he plays for Casey next weekend and can build for round 2 onwards.

Will really miss him, don't like the statement this injury has continued to trouble him this pre season!!!

Good. It's a small part of a long season, and there is no point in him breaking down with injuries because we are rushing him.

6 minutes ago, jules7 said:

Will really miss him, don't like the statement this injury has continued to trouble him this pre season!!!

It's the sort of injury that if you have any pain you're off legs.

the fact that he's back in full training and will play for Casey next weekend is a great sign that he's pain free.  His only issue is match fitness.

At full fitness Jack Viney might be our best player, but an underdone Viney can be pretty ordinary, we've seen that a few times of the last few years.

I'm hoping this decision was really based on what's best for Jack but I also don't think it's a surprise that the call has been made after Brayshaw and Tyson both played well last night. Time to back those boys in for round 1 now.

17 minutes ago, jules7 said:

Will really miss him, don't like the statement this injury has continued to trouble him this pre season!!!

The wrong (and bad) decision was made to rush him back from surgery in the latter parts of last year. I apportion blame to the Docs/fitness staff, the coaches and Viney himself.

Had his injury been handled properly during its initial stages, he would've been ready to go come round 1. Given how tight the comp is to qualify for the 8, come year's end his unavailability may not only cost us a spot in last years finals, but this years as well.

Edited March 9, 20188 yr by Demon Disciple

I for one am pleased to hear a decision has finally been made on this ongoing "will he, won't he" saga.

It takes the heat out of the whole issue and I suspect, a substantial burden off young Jack's back. He can now forget the calendar and do whatever it is he needs to do to get himself right. We all know he wants to be out there, but more level heads are required for him to be able to stay out there.

Good call in my view.