9 minutes ago, rjay said:

Personally, if the true number is 14 then I think who ever leaked the information from the AFLPA or the club should be hung, drawn and quartered.

This whole biz should never have been leaked out in the first place...

Jones was not one of them from what I heard and that he might not be impressed with this group.

4 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Didn't we get canned by the media this time last year when Tyson and Salem got injured?

amusing how one year we are apparently pushing people too far, yes this year we are soft again. Anything for a story I guess!

Also like to add that I would be amazed if our players went to the AFLPA without consulting our player leadership group. We have no idea who from our playing list went to the AFLPA, but hypothetically if it included Viney, Jones, Lewis, Hibberd etc.... would we all be saying these players are soft?

Surely this is more a case of our players wanting to get the most out of the preseason, and maybe the focus on fitness and skills is perhaps more beneficial than sleep deprivation and pushing beyond normal limits and reserves?

One final thing that I note is that unlike last year we seem to have a few more players recovering from injury or post season surgery... so perhaps this is a prudent thing to do.

Anyway, mountain... mole hill and I don't really pay much notice to Brown or Frawley's comments in the media.

This is the afl/afl media.

Your logic is not welcome here 

16 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Jones was not one of them from what I heard and that he might not be impressed with this group.

But what did he do to work their issues out with coaches?  After all a key job of captaincy is to be the conduit between the playing group and the coaches and at times that means airing their grievances for them. 

So rather than be unimpressed, has he asked himself what he did to nip it in the bud.  And if he did everything he could and players still went to AFLPA then something is really not working.

Edited December 18, 20177 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Still some soft players that need to be outed... why we cannot make finals, they just interested in money and the lifestyle.

1 hour ago, america de cali said:

Cameron Mooney appeared to give us an almighty dump on SEN this arvo from the snippet I heard. Couldn’t catch it all but mentioned something about 14 players and something about a laughing stock.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/12/18/this-is-embarrassing-moons-slams-dees/

 

Send them all off to Port Adelaide, they are in the premiership window.

I’m picking Lewis to be in the thick of it as Jones doesn’t seem the type. 

The old we didn’t do anything like this at hawthorn and won four flags.... 

 

*** this is is a complete character assassination without any knowledge 

42 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Jones was not one of them from what I heard and that he might not be impressed with this group.

Well i certainly hope so, but it doesn’t say a lot for his Captaincy

If 14 players have gone behind Goodwin and Jones we are in real sh!t

6 minutes ago, Wolfgang219 said:

 

The old we didn’t do anything like this at hawthorn and won four flags.... 

Whorethorn were the first to do the Kokoda trail so i think that would qualify as “this”

Our blokes wouldn’t leave the Kokoda Canteen at Base Camp ⛺️

Edited December 18, 20177 yr by Sir Why You Little

We have been informed that it started with some senior players who then involved juniors players. 

The group has ‘some’ leadership group figures 

there were 14 players

 

without trying too hard to figure it out the senior players would have had runs on the board and been firmly in the best 22. There is alway grumbling in a locker room but to take it to the next step you aren’t going to put yourself out there unless you know your position in the team/club. 

9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Well i certainly hope so, but it doesn’t say a lot for his Captaincy

If 14 players have gone behind Goodwin and Jones we are in real sh!t

Look at it this way: 14 players have been exposed. They’ve got an entire season to prove that they aren’t soft [censored]. Unleash hell boys or [censored] off. 

Edited December 18, 20177 yr by Juicebox

26 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/12/18/this-is-embarrassing-moons-slams-dees/

 

Moons is right on the money. 

9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Whorethorn were the first to do the Kokoda trail so i think that would qualify as “this”

Our blokes wouldn’t leave the Kokoda Canteen at Base Camp ⛺️

I don’t think the gripe by the players was doing a camp but the extreme nature of it and when it was position (ie just before Christmas break)

Some of the extreme things (which is designed to fatigue, annoy and bring out your personality/resilience) including getting up in the middle of the night to do meaningless tasks, standing guard in shifts will others slept, not being able to talk to each other for six hours, not having a structure training plan (ie not getting told when the activity will stop, how far you are walking et etc). 

All these activities are designed to break you down as the human mind demands structure. They are an attempt to get your mind to quit on you whilst showing you your body can go well beyond what you mind thinks it can. 

 

Edited December 18, 20177 yr by Wolfgang219

5 minutes ago, Wolfgang219 said:

I don’t think the gripe by the players was doing a camp but the extreme nature of it and when it was position (ie just before Christmas break)

Some of the extreme things (which is designed to fatigue, annoy and bring out your personality/resilience) including getting up in the middle of the night to do meaningless tasks, standing guard in shifts will others slept, not being able to talk to each other for six hours, not having a structure training plan (ie not getting told when the activity will stop, how far you are walking et etc). 

All these activities are designed to break you down as the human mind demands structure. They are an attempt to get your mind to quit on you whilst showing you your body can go well beyond what you mind thinks it can. 

 

Yes and all the things we failed at in Round 23...

What a Disgrace if true, We get rid of our best ball user who many think is soft now this. We are a continued laughing stock! The tail is wagging the dog and I don't like it! Pathetic we will finish 12th next year is we are lucky!

Shocking continued soft mentality!

14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Moons is right on the money. 

Your like a pig in [censored] when something negative happens, aren't you?

2 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Your like a pig in [censored] when something negative happens, aren't you?

I agree with So why you little we are a laughing basket case of a club with little knowledge or volition to do whatever it takes, Don't sledge Why you little, he like Cameron Mooney is right on the money!

10 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes and all the things we failed at in Round 23...

....so the boot camp didn't work last year!

3 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Your like a pig in [censored] when something negative happens, aren't you?

No i am not. The Club did this not me

I am just a Member who shovels money into the MFC every 12 months and am getting mighty tired of yearly excuses

18 minutes ago, Wolfgang219 said:

Some of the extreme things (which is designed to fatigue, annoy and bring out your personality/resilience) including getting up in the middle of the night to do meaningless tasks, standing guard in shifts will others slept, not being able to talk to each other for six hours, not having a structure training plan (ie not getting told when the activity will stop, how far you are walking et etc). 

 

12 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes and all the things we failed at in Round 23...

Yes, I noticed the guards had bolted and some players started to talk while others tried to sleep.

No wonder we couldn't win.

Interesting all the quoting of Moons and Spud & using it to back up the failure to make finals in 2017.

...but no one wants to quote the Champion data man who's take was we were just too young in 2017 so it was no surprise that we lost games we supposedly should have won. He also mentioned the "I" word, injury...but of course, no it was all down to mental fragility.

The only mental fragility I can see is on this site.

Start using some mental acuity crew and think through things a bit more clearly.

 

1 minute ago, george_on_the_outer said:

....so the boot camp didn't work last year!

Maybe not. But the Head Coach wanted it to happen again with some refinements. 

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Maybe not. But the Head Coach wanted it to happen again with some refinements. 

Yep and if the head coach wanted it then it should have happened.. We are so friggen soft!

5 hours ago, Smokey said:

I'd be lying if I said your sentiments hadn't crossed my mind, because they indeed have. And me 2+ years ago would've thrown my arms in the air and cursed them in a similar vein. But I honestly believe we are past our bruise free footy days.

I hope for all of our sakes I'm right, eh? I'd hate to be proven wrong on this (but am, as always, prepared to be).

This is where I sit. There is potential for this to be an issue or potential it is nothing. But we don't know and so many on here are so quick to lambast the club at any little negative comment from a spud commentator or ribbing from an opposition supporter. It's just confirmation bias by some posters who already hold a negative view of the club and any little thing they see as "soft" reinforces their belief. This is not one event in a recurring list under this regime so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the moment.

Yeah, I have been giving this club the "Benefit of the Doubt" for decades!!

'Spud' Frawley: could there be a more appropriate knick name!