19 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Pick 4 equivalent ??

Just set aside your rose colored glasses and look at the deal in itself!

It ain"t Lever for Watts !! 

Too simplistic!

JW has been right royally Shafted ! Any way you cut it the scapegoat for last year!

I repeat Goodwin and his band of illusionists better get it right for next year!

I'm not sure!

Many should have gone before Jack !

Best to lock up the sharps for a few weeks, picket

2 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Goodwin has clearly set the bar.

However, the "snowflakes" will certainly turn to nastily pointy icicles if team success  does not follow.

For mine we must make the finals next year but not just fall in. We must win at least one and demonstrate we are serious improvers/contenders.

I completely agree.

I'm a Goody fan, but he's put a target on his back with this decision.  Unlike others, I really think it's a Goody/Macca decision and not necessarily an all FD decision.

I'll back him in, but there will be heat if he falters.

Blah blah blah. ...this thread is bordering on rediculous.  Yes, Jack loves the MFC as he knows nothing else and suits his private school, Bayside lifestyle. Life has been comfortable for Jack at the MFC...however, his on field performances and training standards have been below that of an elite footballer for years. After many of our losses over the last 9 years, many of Jack's recent fan boys have been the first to lambast the bloke and call him weak, soft and more. When Jack announced that he wanted to stay a Dee and that he loved the club, a lot of supporters changed their tune and fell in love with Jack. Why? Because the MFC has been devoid of such loyalty and passion for years. We've seen no 1 picks walk out...had no real leaders for years, had a group under Neeld that cared little for the club, its history or its supporters. In Jack we saw genuine care for our club, it's culture and us, the supporters ..endearing to many. The bashing stopped and we looked favourably on our new favourite son and forgave the weak efforts at the contest given week after week..the dropped chest marks under no pressure, the one handed tackling efforts...and for a moment were blinded ....

Take  a breath and remember the frustration you felt for many years...a kid with plenty of potential has gone for a pack of peanuts..but you cannot carry influential members of a team forever..especially when they do not work hard on the track or commit to the contest....every moment counts....

A chapter ends and a likable young man leaves. Move on. The club knows best. The leadership group are driving standards. Trust where we are headed 

Edited October 17, 20177 yr by Leoncelli_36

24 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Now this statement has been repeated ad nauseum, and is hard to comprehend.

If we were a premiership team, and Watts was an integral part of the success, I could understand if there was some residual backlash from his teammates. The Whale Roberts being traded from Richmond, and Bradbury and Carey from Essendon, are examples where trades had an underlying impact on the playing group. But these teams had multiple premiership success behind them.

The MFC is a team that hasn't played finals in 11 years, and is still seen as mentally fragile. If the players arc up because the FD want to weed out players who don't exhibit elite standards of professionalism, then we will go backwards. But that falls on the players, not the FD.

Spoke to a friend who taught Sam Weideman as the resident phys ed coach, in VCE last year or the year before? Not sure what year but he spoke to Sam last week and his comments were that Sam couldn't work through this issue. Sam thought Jack is the ultimate club player, everyone loves him and Sam thought he was performing. And OK I can see this as part of the problem identified by Goodwin.

The main thing here is that the FD has a management plan in place to reduce the collatoral damage of Watts treatment and the move amongst the kids. 

Anyone want to discuss James McDonald or Cam Bruce?

Let's hope the club has learnt something over the past 10 years! 

Not. Confident. 

Edited October 17, 20177 yr by Earl Hood

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

Best to lock up the sharps for a few weeks, picket

Yeah u know Daisy for some reason like many on this site I feel a profound sense of loss!

Almost like a death in the family! Not so much a really loved relative but .... Like the cousin you used to kick the footy with when you were a kid!

Gee I must be strange!!

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Lol you've got absolutely no idea mate

If you, Dr Gonzo the Oracle, say so I guess I haven't got a clue. Noticed you have put a lot of smileys on your recent posts. You must be so happy that scum bag has gone. 

2 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Blah blah blah. ...this thread I bordering on rediculous.  Yes Jack loves the MFC as he knows nothing else and suits his private school, Bayside lifestyle. Life has been comfortable for Jack at the MFC...however, his on field performances and training standards have been below that of an elite footballer for years. After many of our losses over the last 9 years, many of Jack's recent fan boys have been the first to lambast the bloke and call him weak, soft and more. When Jack announced that he wanted to stay a Dee and that he loved the club, a lot of supporters changed their tune and fell in love with Jack. Why? Because the MFC has been devoid of such loyalty and passion for years. We've seen no 1 picks walk out...had no real leaders for years, had a group under Neeld that cared little for the club, its history or its supporters. In Jack we saw genuine care for our club, it's culture and us, the supporters ..endearing to many. The bashing stopped and we looked favourably on our new favourite son and forgave the week efforts at the contest given week after week..the dropped chest marks under no pressure, the one handed tackling efforts...and for a moment were blinded ....

Take  a breath and remember the frustration you felt for many years...a kid with plenty of potential has gone for a pack of peanuts..but you cannot carry influential members of a team forever..especially when they do not work hard on the track or commit to the contest....every moment counts....

A chapter ends and a likable young man leaves. Move on. The club knows best. The leadership group are driving standards. Trust where we are headed 

Left with plenty of potential, not a lot of drive to realise it.

8 minutes ago, CBDees said:

 

We're in far more trouble than I thought if the MFC powers-brokers are the Haymes Paint marketing department.

2 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Spoke to a friend who taught Sam Weideman as the resident phys ed coach, in VCE last year or the year before? Not sure, but his comments were that Sam couldn't work through this issue. Sam thought Jack is the ultimate club player, everyone loves him and Sam thought he was performing. And OK I can see this as part of the problem identified by Goodwin.

The main thing here is that the FD has a management plan in place to reduce the collatoral damage of Watts treatment and the move amongst the kids. 

Anyone want to discuss James McDonald or Cam Bruce?

Let's hope the club has learnt something over the past 10 years! 

Not. Confident. 

Well this has the propensity to rip the club apart 

We haven't learnt from the junior fiasco and others as well!

Leadership group might want to play "Gengis Khan" but rank and file players??

Again Club in potential disarray!

7 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He does. But we need more options

ready made players

it’s Top 4 next year

the statement has been made

We have the players to win the flag, doesn't mean we will but we have them. Our list is far superiors to Richmonds. We still need some more years under the belt I would think 

37 minutes ago, hardtack said:

I hope it was a Spear & Jackson #9 with brass binding around the handle.

What? Wi' oak shaft an' nickel scoop wi' copper rim edging?

5 minutes ago, jackaub said:

The club have made the decision so they think we will be better off with out him Right??

They sure have.

We don't have to go around in circles; the FD is not what I am critiquing. They can do whatever they want (should the board approve).

I am just simply attempting to arrest this notion that 'MFC - Watts =  [Insert Awesome Result/Process here: Flag, Professionalism, etc].

I expect us to be top 4 contenders next year - and it isn't a 'Goodwin Ultimatum' that a couple on here think should happen after this trade -it is because we are a very good team that should have won 15 games last season and we just recruited the best 21 year old defender in the game, and we will have the natural improvement of our most talented players (and the appearance of our star FF).

3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Well this has the propensity to rip the club apart 

We haven't learnt from the junior fiasco and others as well!

Leadership group might want to play "Gengis Khan" but rank and file players??

Again Club in potential disarray!

Do you actually read what you post. Wow that's some serious arm flapping you get up to 

The Melbourne Football Club mathematical equation

Jack Watts = Draft pick #31 or even lower ( A 17 year old kid in a shallow draft). Might be a thought if Jack was 33 and we were rebuilding. How long before we stop looking at the far away future instead of present time. We have been rebuilding for a bloody long without success. QED.

1 minute ago, Roost It said:

Do you actually read what you post. Wow that's some serious arm flapping you get up to 

Yeah its called passion and Premiership starvation! After waiting so long it .. happens!!

If we were only targeting pick 31, why not trade Garland (contracted) instead of Watts (contracted)? Seems to me less than astute? ? (Even if we later pay-out Garland, re-watching Watts highlights posted today on the MFC convinces me the removing Watts from our armoury when there are others on the list incapable of what he can contribute is a very high-risk manoeuvre! ?

8 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Spoke to a friend who taught Sam Weideman as the resident phys ed coach, in VCE last year or the year before? Not sure what year but he spoke to Sam last week and his comments were that Sam couldn't work through this issue. Sam thought Jack is the ultimate club player, everyone loves him and Sam thought he was performing. And OK I can see this as part of the problem identified by Goodwin.

The main thing here is that the FD has a management plan in place to reduce the collatoral damage of Watts treatment and the move amongst the kids. 

Anyone want to discuss James McDonald or Cam Bruce?

Let's hope the club has learnt something over the past 10 years! 

Not. Confident. 

I can only assume that the Leadership Group drove this move, or at least sanctioned it. 

And that is the only way they are going to be able to manage the change of trading a popular player.

I don't have great concerns for the playing group - he isn't dead, he's in Adelaide... ok, that's not much better...

But they will get on with it and follow their leaders - how could you not follow Jack Viney?

10 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Spoke to a friend who taught Sam Weideman as the resident phys ed coach, in VCE last year or the year before? Not sure what year but he spoke to Sam last week and his comments were that Sam couldn't work through this issue. Sam thought Jack is the ultimate club player, everyone loves him and Sam thought he was performing. And OK I can see this as part of the problem identified by Goodwin.

The main thing here is that the FD has a management plan in place to reduce the collatoral damage of Watts treatment and the move amongst the kids. 

Anyone want to discuss James McDonald or Cam Bruce?

Let's hope the club has learnt something over the past 10 years! 

Not. Confident. 

It's depressing if that is true.   Very depressing.

Just now, picket fence said:

Yeah its called passion and Premiership starvation! After waiting so long it .. happens!!

Performing  under pressure is critical to success

Just now, sue said:

It's depressing if that is true.   Very depressing.

It's not depressing. The fact Watts was well liked has nothing to do with it. Surely you know that. 

5 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

My new screen saver.

45 minutes ago, Deeprived Childhood said:

Strange move to expand your board shorts business? Some would say its a natural progression.

Gold Coast or even Freo would have been ideal, and they surely could do with a player like Watts, but even they werent interested.....seems strange to me.

9 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Spoke to a friend who taught Sam Weideman as the resident phys ed coach, in VCE last year or the year before? Not sure what year but he spoke to Sam last week and his comments were that Sam couldn't work through this issue. Sam thought Jack is the ultimate club player, everyone loves him and Sam thought he was performing. And OK I can see this as part of the problem identified by Goodwin.

The main thing here is that the FD has a management plan in place to reduce the collatoral damage of Watts treatment and the move amongst the kids. 

Anyone want to discuss James McDonald or Cam Bruce?

Let's hope the club has learnt something over the past 10 years! 

Not. Confident. 

Yep. Chalk and cheese compared to Watts. McDonald and Bruce didn't get drafted from the TAC, and had to work there butt off to make it. Both got the most out of their abilities. Fantastic examples to younger players. Watts has never been in the LG. 

The decision to cut McDonald was terrible, but the Bruce decision was based on length of contract. 

And I hope Sam Weid learns quickly that the ultimate club player is different to the ultimate club professional.

4 minutes ago, Roost It said:

It's not depressing. The fact Watts was well liked has nothing to do with it. Surely you know that. 

The depressing thing is that Sam does not understand why he was moved on, thought Watts was doing OK.  Surely you see that?  If this is true, then the communciation of the 'message' to the younger team members is a disaster.

Edited October 17, 20177 yr by sue