whatwhat say what 23,855 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, Elegt said: tyson: absolute butcher of the ball, poor 2 way running and refuses to man up, slower than gawn, has no left foot, gets caught holding the ball too often salem: small, lacks pace, poor 2 way runner and gets beaten by his opponent too often, kicks get smothered frequently, not fit enough to play midfield, can' take a mark vince: so slow, handballs to the ground, poor defensive skills, butcher's the ball I would hardly say they're best 22 But they are If we trade Salem and Tyson out - presumably for speculative draft picks (and we know how how bad we are at picking young talent) then we have NO ONE to come in to replace them, considering our mids at vfl level are JKH and Maynard Our midfield depth is atrocious Salem and Tyson are leaps and bounds ahead of ether of those guys or flanker depth like ANB, Harmes and Stretch Far too many NQRs in our side Also, remember how we recruited Melksham to supposedly add to our midfield rotation? He’s just another flanker - but he’s miles ahead of others Our list profile is lopsided to mid-paced outsiders - if we trade Salem and Tyson out we would be even more disastrously balanced 2 Quote
Elegt 872 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said: But they are If we trade Salem and Tyson out - presumably for speculative draft picks (and we know how how bad we are at picking young talent) then we have NO ONE to come in to replace them, considering our mids at vfl level are JKH and Maynard Our midfield depth is atrocious Salem and Tyson are leaps and bounds ahead of ether of those guys or flanker depth like ANB, Harmes and Stretch Far too many NQRs in our side Also, remember how we recruited Melksham to supposedly add to our midfield rotation? He’s just another flanker - but he’s miles ahead of others Our list profile is lopsided to mid-paced outsiders - if we trade Salem and Tyson out we would be even more disastrously balanced id have petty viney and spargo ahead of those 3, maybe even Joel Smith. I know they're kids but they'd give more of a dip than those 3 Quote
Lord Travis 10,819 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 I'd suggest the following delistings at years end. VandenBerg - can't get on the park, 2 years since he's played, was borderline 22 when he did play, 28 years old when/if he makes it back from years of injury. Delist. McKenna - can't get on the park, 0 games in 4 years. Delist. JKH - Decent VFL player, can't translate his game to AFL level. 5-6 years on the list. He's depth at best. Delist. Johnstone - struggling to even get his game up to VFL level after 2 years. We have a number of other options in his forward pocket/flank position. There are a number of others on the list who are likely not going to make it long term (Wagner, Harmes, Stretch types), but we have to consider contract status and the need for depth. We also don't have any first round pick again this year, so we won't be bringing in elite talent to replace whoever we delist. VandenBerg and McKenna are the only certain delists, as we can't afford to waste spots on the list for guys that aren't even an option to play, and are not certain best 22 even when they are available! 2 Quote
Diamond_Jim 12,773 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lord Travis said: I'd suggest the following delistings at years end. VandenBerg - can't get on the park, 2 years since he's played, was borderline 22 when he did play, 28 years old when/if he makes it back from years of injury. Delist. McKenna - can't get on the park, 0 games in 4 years. Delist. JKH - Decent VFL player, can't translate his game to AFL level. 5-6 years on the list. He's depth at best. Delist. Johnstone - struggling to even get his game up to VFL level after 2 years. We have a number of other options in his forward pocket/flank position. There are a number of others on the list who are likely not going to make it long term (Wagner, Harmes, Stretch types), but we have to consider contract status and the need for depth. We also don't have any first round pick again this year, so we won't be bringing in elite talent to replace whoever we delist. VandenBerg and McKenna are the only certain delists, as we can't afford to waste spots on the list for guys that aren't even an option to play, and are not certain best 22 even when they are available! spot on your Lordship. Our ability to dramatically impact the list is limited unless we trade one of our few better players. Last years draftees are not without talent. Hopefully we get some AFL level impact from them in the second half of the season. 1 Quote
Optimus D 283 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 I would be adding any player that was involved in the "not going to the camp fiasco". They are just adding to the often exposed soft underbelly of this club. Do not care who they are just get rid of them. 1 Quote
Tony Tea 2,816 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 Trade Tyson and Salem for Josh Kelly. 2 1 Quote
whatwhat say what 23,855 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Tony Tea said: Trade Tyson and Salem for Josh Kelly. the funny thing about this is that roos has said we were going to take billings if we'd held onto pick 2 that year he's as accurate a kick for goal as tomas bugg... Quote
Elegt 872 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Optimus D said: I would be adding any player that was involved in the "not going to the camp fiasco". They are just adding to the often exposed soft underbelly of this club. Do not care who they are just get rid of them. any truth to the brayshaw/tyson rumour? Quote
olisik 4,060 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) Harmes ANB Stretch Johnston King Frost Bugg Vince Lewis Vanderberg Mckenna JKH Jeffy on thin ice Edited April 25, 2018 by olisik 1 Quote
spirit of norm smith 16,679 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) Gone. Jkh Vandenburg McKenna. Johnstone T.Smith (r) Filipivic (r) On thin ice. Bugg (highly likely to go) question marks. Wagner. Kent. Vince (retire). J-Smith. Balic (need to see him given a go) Stretch needs to step up trade options - Frost looms most likely Pedersen - always seems to go year by year. Always handy IMO Baker and Hannan will be given another year Lewis has one more year to serve on contract after this year and would be 33 at end of 2019 Kielty and Maynard given another rookie year Mitch King stays as more development Overall think 8 spots available with 5 delisted, vince to retire, and two rookies gone need to get a free agent or delisted FA Edited April 25, 2018 by spirit of norm smith X Quote
WERRIDEE 5,638 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said: Gone. Jkh Vandenburg McKenna. Johnstone T.Smith (r) Filipivic (r) On thin ice. Bugg (highly likely to go) Wagner. Kent. Vince (retire). J-Smith. Balic (need to see him given a go) Pedersen - always seems to go year by year. Always handy IMO Baker and Hannan will be given another year Lewis has one more year to serve on contract after this year and would be 33 at end of 2019 Kielty and Maynard given another rookie year Mitch King stays as more development Overall think 5 delisted and two rookies gone need to get a free agent or delisted FA JKH is a certainty to be delisted as is Bugg and Johnstone. On thin ice: T.Smith and Keilty and we will wait and see how Pedersen finishes off the year before we decide his future. Filipovic is developing I think he will get another contract before Keilty. vandenBerg and McKenna haven't been given a chance due to injury. I think they will stay on the list if not they will be re rookied. Stretch deserves to be delisted, J.Smith and Balic don't. Vince and Lewis even though he's got 1 year left on his contract must consider retirement. We must throw everything at Gaff. Edited April 25, 2018 by WERRIDEE Quote
Elegt 872 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said: JKH is a certainty to be delisted as is Bugg and Johnstone. On thin ice: T.Smith and Keilty and we will wait and see how Pedersen finishes off the year before we decide his future. Filipovic is developing I think he will get another contract before Keilty. vandenBerg and McKenna haven't been given a chance due to injury. I think they will stay on the list if not they will be re rookied. Stretch deserves to be delisted, J.Smith and Balic don't. Vince and Lewis even though he's got 1 year left on his contract must consider retirement. We must throw everything at Gaff. is gaff really that quick? i think he is fit but still not pacey enough for my liking-josh kelly would've been perfect for us Quote
WERRIDEE 5,638 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Elegt said: is gaff really that quick? i think he is fit but still not pacey enough for my liking-josh kelly would've been perfect for us Not really but he always gets it about 30 times a game which is nothing to be sneezed at. Quote
Watts Jurrah Dunn? 735 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 vandenBerg McKenna JKH Johnstone Vince Lewis Maynard Garlett Pedersen Harmes Kent Bugg Trade Jones out of respect and shop Gawn to see if you can bring in a midfielder that can run and kick. Gawn is the most overrated player in the AFL. Zero to show for his ruck "dominance" and played better last year with him not there. 1 Quote
Devil In Disguise 2,284 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 vandenBerg McKenna JKH Johnstone Vince Lewis Maynard Garlett Pedersen Harmes Kent Bugg Trade Jones out of respect and shop Gawn to see if you can bring in a midfielder that can run and kick. Gawn is the most overrated player in the AFL. Zero to show for his ruck "dominance" and played better last year with him not there. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Jones will finish his career with us & who you going to ruck with? Harmes? 2 Quote
jumbo returns 6,745 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 JKH is a certainty to be delisted as is Bugg and Johnstone. On thin ice: T.Smith and Keilty and we will wait and see how Pedersen finishes off the year before we decide his future. Filipovic is developing I think he will get another contract before Keilty. vandenBerg and McKenna haven't been given a chance due to injury. I think they will stay on the list if not they will be re rookied. Stretch deserves to be delisted, J.Smith and Balic don't. Vince and Lewis even though he's got 1 year left on his contract must consider retirement. We must throw everything at Gaff. Not really but he always gets it about 30 times a game which is nothing to be sneezed at. @WERRIDEE, you've just thrown my universe.....where are your capitals?? Quote
jumbo returns 6,745 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) Wow! Hardly earth shattering stuff here King - who's he? Johnstone? What? Who? Vanders....omg JKH - should've gone with Dawesy, despite amusing Saty with his gun shots Maynard or Magner? Same same Edited April 25, 2018 by jumbo returns 1 Quote
Jibroni 5,057 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 Understand this topic is about delisting's but should the question not be how do we trade, draft talent to improve the list? Not sure how we can attract the talent (players with pace and skills) we are seeking when we only have a second and two thirds in this years draft. Quote
Elegt 872 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 Understand this topic is about delisting's but should the question not be how do we trade, draft talent to improve the list? Not sure how we can attract the talent (players with pace and skills) we are seeking when we only have a second and two thirds in this years draft. fyfe was a second round pick Quote
Watts Jurrah Dunn? 735 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Jones will finish his career with us & who you going to ruck with? Harmes? The bath has been empty for ages mate and the baby is now a teenager. This sh*t has been going on for far too long. Time to clear out the last players from the dark days and start again. Find a competitive physical ruckman on the cheap like Richmond did. Gawn will have trade value higher than what he offers MFC on field. The Lever trade is diabolically bad given the holes in our midfield. Gotta get back into the early part of the draft and it's going to take a Gawn, Hogan or Petracca to do that. 1 Quote
samcantstandya 1,079 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 I'd suggest the following delistings at years end. VandenBerg - can't get on the park, 2 years since he's played, was borderline 22 when he did play, 28 years old when/if he makes it back from years of injury. Delist. McKenna - can't get on the park, 0 games in 4 years. Delist. JKH - Decent VFL player, can't translate his game to AFL level. 5-6 years on the list. He's depth at best. Delist. Johnstone - struggling to even get his game up to VFL level after 2 years. We have a number of other options in his forward pocket/flank position. There are a number of others on the list who are likely not going to make it long term (Wagner, Harmes, Stretch types), but we have to consider contract status and the need for depth. We also don't have any first round pick again this year, so we won't be bringing in elite talent to replace whoever we delist. VandenBerg and McKenna are the only certain delists, as we can't afford to waste spots on the list for guys that aren't even an option to play, and are not certain best 22 even when they are available! Spot on appraisal Quote
junk 342 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 Vanders,injury prone and at 28 gone,ANB gone,Lewis gone, Vince gone,Mc kenna rookie, Stretch gone,Wagner gone, T.Smith gone,Johnstone gone,Jetta gone, JKH gone,Garlett gone,.Kent gone,Nat Jones gone. Gawn gone. Skating on thin ice Kielty,Maynard,Bugg,Harmes. Keep Pedo. Add White from Casey to rookie list. Dual captains gone,what lame idea this was. We need someone other than Oliver to step up as a champion mid. As silly as it may sound J.Smith has to be groomed for the future as a mid.We cannot rely on Tracca,Brayshaw or Salem. Quote
Dockett 32 1,239 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 JKH is a certainty to be delisted as is Bugg and Johnstone. On thin ice: T.Smith and Keilty and we will wait and see how Pedersen finishes off the year before we decide his future. Filipovic is developing I think he will get another contract before Keilty. vandenBerg and McKenna haven't been given a chance due to injury. I think they will stay on the list if not they will be re rookied. Stretch deserves to be delisted, J.Smith and Balic don't. Vince and Lewis even though he's got 1 year left on his contract must consider retirement. We must throw everything at Gaff. And what have we got to throw now? Not thrilled by another slow cooked midget looking for a retirement benefit. Lynch is the game changer forget second prize. Quote
M_9 2,216 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 Pardon my ignorance, but what is achieved by having Lewis retire? If he's contracted we can't replace him on the list, and his salary is part of our cap, isn't it? Quote
WERRIDEE 5,638 Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 Pardon my ignorance, but what is achieved by having Lewis retire? If he's contracted we can't replace him on the list, and his salary is part of our cap, isn't it? If he retires before the drafts we can replace him. Lumumba retired after the drafts that's why we couldn't replace him. Quote
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