Trade rumours

[ding 5,126]

8 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

 it's been reported but that Mahoney has just walked in the AFL house why has Melbourne gone in what trades could there possibly be left to do

This is the part where our man swoops in with a last minute pick upgrade that has everyone who was saying he is useless,  now praising him as a genius........

 

*fingers crossed.

[Lucifers Hero 40,360]

1 hour ago, Grimes Times said:

Correct.

based on 2017 results trade is

Crows - Gibbs, 22, 40 & 77

Blues 10, 16, 37 & 73.

When put like that it doesn't look such a steal for Carlton. 

Blues get pick 10 and pick upgrades of several spots in each round spread over 2017/18.  

When two first round picks are bandied about it looks quite dazzling, not so much when subsequent swaps are included as you have shown. 

In total Adelaide haven't really given up that much, especially if Carlton finish bottom 2-4 and they  finish top 2-4 in 2018.  Juts pick 10 plus and later small downgrades.  They have kept the real jewel ie our 2018 first rounder to go with theirs in a very good draft year.

Edited October 19, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

[old55 23,687]

14 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

In saying that, the reason Adelaide may have buckled so willingly to Carlton (over this deal) is because of how much they bent us over with Lever. Adelaide have 2 first round picks next year (theirs and ours), so they wouldn't in their wildest dreams of ever thought we would hand over our first pick. They may have looked at it like that. Gibbs will improve them this year, and next year they still have two first round picks to use.

Or maybe 2 clubs were prepared to pay market value for the key player they targeted - that's the simpler explanation.

Edited October 18, 2017 by Fifty-5

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1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Gibbs is now a Crow - they paid two first rounders for him and a swap of other picks.

If anyone thinks we overpaid for Lever, then the Crows have wildly overpaid for Gibbs.  At least Lever is 21 - Gibbs is 29 and won't have the longevity that Lever will have for us.  Puts our deal in perspective.

Fair point. Carlton maxed out on that trade. Gibbs probably has two, maybe three good years left in him.

However, if we compare this to the Watts trade I feel like banging my head against a wall. Granted Watts doesn't have the track record like Gibbs, but I still think the MFC could have fought it out to acquire both of Port Adelaide's second round picks (#31 and #34). Especially considering we're paying for a fraction of his salary. 

[Bring Back Barassi 552]

7 minutes ago, ding said:

This is the part where our man swoops in with a last minute pick upgrade that has everyone who was saying he is useless,  now praising him as a genius........

 

*fingers crossed.

Dream on... he is probably just scouting around to see if anyone wants to pay unders or get overs on any last minute deals

[KingDingAling 3,758]

7 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Or maybe 2 clubs were prepared to pay market value for the key player they targeted - that's the simpler explanation.

Market value for a 29 year old isn't two first round draft picks. Gibbs may be a star, and may have been contracted, but paying two first round picks for him is way above market value.

[Willmoy1947 4,140]

When i was out fishing (in camera) with Gil and Houls, the word was that Carlton needed a hand to get up the Ladder more quickly. Looks like being a big player in this draft and will probably take a bit longer..... 

[The Chazz 4,077]

37 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Gibbs contracted (SOS expect extra value) Lever was uncontracted ... should have held firm like Carlton did and they have shown they would buckle

Carlton also would prefer not to lose Gibbs, so they could afford to play harder.  Unlike us with Watts.

Crows think Gibbs will help get them to a flag, hence why they paid top dollar.  We think Lever will, over time, help get us to a flag, hence why we paid top dollar.

On exposed form, it's unlikely that Balic will be a star, so we paid accordingly.

It's not that hard to comprehend.

[DemonOX 8,800]

42 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Gibbs contracted (SOS expect extra value) Lever was uncontracted ... should have held firm like Carlton did and they have shown they would buckle

And the cows still have a first rnd selection next season thanks to us and we don’t  

Yep we are good negotiators!

Edited October 18, 2017 by DemonOX

[Nascent 9,283]

Perhaps we can trade 29, 31, 36 for Carltons 16 and 40. Gives them the picks for Lang and Kennedy and us into the first round. Would rather Kennedy for ourselves personally.

[Demons1858 1,766]

Suns just traded into 1st round. Looks like we missed our chance

[Clintosaurus 7,861]

1 minute ago, Demons1858 said:

Suns just traded into 1st round. Looks like we missed our chance

Next years from the Eagles or another trade?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

6 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Suns just traded into 1st round. Looks like we missed our chance

First round next year.

Suns gave up three first rounders, two of which were a bit higher than ours.  Plus they'll use that first rounder in the Lachie Weller trade, so in essence, Freo gets it.

[The Chazz 4,077]

I know it's too much to ask, but it'd be nice to think Gill is sitting back watching the amount of activity on the final day of the trade period, and makes the sensible decision to reduce the trade period to 3-5 days next year.

[Demons1858 1,766]

6 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Next years from the Eagles or another trade?

The Suns have sent the Eagles picks No.21, No.26 and No.37, and in return received the Eagles' 2018 first-round pick and this year's No.50 selection.

[Sir Why You Little 37,125]

33 minutes ago, ignition. said:

Fair point. Carlton maxed out on that trade. Gibbs probably has two, maybe three good years left in him.

However, if we compare this to the Watts trade I feel like banging my head against a wall. Granted Watts doesn't have the track record like Gibbs, but I still think the MFC could have fought it out to acquire both of Port Adelaide's second round picks (#31 and #34). Especially considering we're paying for a fraction of his salary. 

The MFC wanted him out, there was more to it than we know. 

It has to be that. We didn’t deal. The coach and FD wanted him out

We better recruit a good forward as a replacement!

[Wrecker45 3,378]

14 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

Carlton also would prefer not to lose Gibbs, so they could afford to play harder.  Unlike us with Watts.

Crows think Gibbs will help get them to a flag, hence why they paid top dollar.  We think Lever will, over time, help get us to a flag, hence why we paid top dollar.

On exposed form, it's unlikely that Balic will be a star, so we paid accordingly.

It's not that hard to comprehend.

Carlton had Adelaide over a barrel and reamed them.

All the above makes sense.

A certain trade Melbourne did this trade period doesn't.

[KingDingAling 3,758]

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

First round next year.

Suns gave up three first rounders, two of which were a bit higher than ours.  Plus they'll use that first rounder in the Lachie Weller trade, so in essence, Freo gets it.

They didn't give up three first rounders.

[The Chazz 4,077]

1 minute ago, Wrecker45 said:

Carlton had Adelaide over a barrel and reamed them.

All the above makes sense.

A certain trade Melbourne did this trade period doesn't.

There was always an element of risk for us to play too hard.  We got the deal done, and the people more knowledgable than you (i.e. the FD), were happy with what it cost.  The alternative was to play hardball and potentially miss getting one of hottest properties on the market.

Mahoney made mention that our offer to Lever was less than other offers he had received.  If Adelaide could get a better deal elsewhere, they would've done it.

[Bring Back Barassi 552]

Carlton bent the Crows over. If we had held out on the Lever deal we could have done the same. Unfortunately we think its a good idea to get trades done early rather than get a good deal

[The Chazz 4,077]

4 minutes ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

Carlton bent the Crows over. If we had held out on the Lever deal we could have done the same. Unfortunately we think its a good idea to get trades done early rather than get a good deal

Imagine the uproar if we left it to the last minute.  We'd all be whinging that we haven't done anything this trade period.  Some would be asking if Mahoney has a pulse.

The only thing that would top that would be if we waited to get a better deal for Lever, only to find we missed him because Collingwood back-doored us because we flucked around so much.

[Bring Back Barassi 552]

Just now, The Chazz said:

Imagine the uproar if we left it to the last minute.  We'd all be whinging that we haven't done anything this trade period.  Some would be asking if Mahoney has a pulse.

The only thing that would top that would be if we waited to get a better deal for Lever, only to find we missed him because Collingwood back-doored us because we flucked around so much.

Come on, Lever nominated us, he was more or less wearing the red and blue, we held all the aces, were in the absolute box seat and then we folded like little girls. Weak.

[Bring Back Barassi 552]

Not to mention the absolute ridiculoussness of telling the whole world we desperately wanted to offload Watts. No finesse or elegance in negotiating skills whatsoever

[dazzledavey36 55,318]

Well looks like our run of GWS players streak will come to an end!

Fair to say we've shut up shop!

[The Chazz 4,077]

1 minute ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

Not to mention the absolute ridiculoussness of telling the whole world we desperately wanted to offload Watts. No finesse or elegance in negotiating skills whatsoever

I'm sure a number of posters think that other clubs read newspaper articles to get intel on players from other teams.