Umpiring of MFC games very questionable

[poita 3,889]

Any team that is second to the football is going to concede more free kicks than it receives, ie Melbourne yesterday, and especially in the first quarter. Don't blame the umpires for the players poor efforts.

 

[pitmaster 3,513]

7 minutes ago, poita said:

Any team that is second to the football is going to concede more free kicks than it receives, ie Melbourne yesterday, and especially in the first quarter. Don't blame the umpires for the players poor efforts.

 

Yes but, Troy Pannell was in perfect position to see a couple of throws in the first quarter and let them go. Ditto a push in the back in a marking contest that resulted in a Pie goal. Umpiring blues hurt us, no doubt. That does not change the fact that our blokes were a disgrace in the first term for the lack of pressure they put on their opponents.

Not one free kick in the first term? Wow.

[mrtwister 652]

1 hour ago, poita said:

Any team that is second to the football is going to concede more free kicks than it receives, ie Melbourne yesterday, and especially in the first quarter. Don't blame the umpires for the players poor efforts.

 

Were not blaming them for the players' effort. We're saying they are shyte. 

[mrtwister 652]

35-18

Free kick count for teams working against us today. 

[leave it to deever 17,511]

1 hour ago, poita said:

Any team that is second to the football is going to concede more free kicks than it receives, ie Melbourne yesterday, and especially in the first quarter. Don't blame the umpires for the players poor efforts.

 

Not sure if this is a fact.

The first ball getter is tackled and may be pinged.

Are there stats to support this?

 

[demoniac 1,330]

Umpires make mistakes. Its a tough game to umpire.

Our players need to better ie J Lewis should hit up the 30 metre target when in space rather than miss and see the resultant turnover lead to a Grundy goal.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

6 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Not sure if this is a fact.

The first ball getter is tackled and may be pinged.

Are there stats to support this?

 

Of course there isn't, it's not a fact. I wrote in the match selection thread that we'd be pack raped by maggots as soon as I saw Pannell's name in the ump list. He made the big error last week and his penance was? More of the same please. I also went on to say that the AFL believe that 90% of AFL fans are dumb as dog's you know what, and this is the line that keeps coming up. It's total rubbish, almost as factual as a ruck rule stating no straight arm fend offs.

After our reaming against Carlton in R22 last year, where the same line was pumped out about 2nd to the contest blah, blah, blah to explain why we were only worth 5 free kicks for the entire game (yep, 5), I did my own analysis. Of all the 'basic' stats the AFL provides, the one with the most correlation to victories is guess what? Free [censored] kicks! Not possessions, not even contested possessions. Not tackles, not clearances. Free [censored] kicks!

Last year the AFL wanted a dogs premiership. They got a favourable draw, they had the umps in the back pocket (pats on bum included) and they duly saluted. Next challenge, orchestrate the make up of the final 8. Surely not, too difficult. Nup, 4 out of the 5 states represented, even came down to the last quarter of the last game of the year. Couldn't have planned it better if they'd tried. Or did they?

It's pretty obvious from here. Who do they want to win? GWS. They'll win, and I'll go out on a limb and say GWS/Essendon grand final. Now wouldn't that be great for the game.

As others have said, it has very little to do with the frees that are paid, it's all about the ones that are missed. Early first quarter yesterday, inside 50 to Pedo for a grab. 2 hands firmly in the back, big push out. Play on. You can tell when the maggots are cheating, there'll be an obvious free kick and they yell out 'play on'. Why are they saying that if there's nothing wrong? Play on from nothing doesn't need to be called.

That leads me to my next point. Does anyone know how to get data on frees for inside 50? We just don't get them. The non-free to Tom Mac on 3 quarter time is just another example of an obvious error, but won't be discussed as it wasn't paid as a free. It essentially never happened. We get crucified inside 50 week in week out and I'd guarantee we receive the least i50 frees across the league. Left nut on the line! Have a look at the replay and tell me which umpire was camped out in our forward 50 most of the game. I'll give you a guess.

Call me crazy, I don't care. If you're a conformer I don't mind (not referring to you Deev), all I can hope for is to slowly raise awareness of these things. They're happening, it's real. The climate is changing!

[leucopogon 1,519]

1 hour ago, FireInTheBelly said:

Of course there isn't, it's not a fact. I wrote in the match selection thread that we'd be pack raped by maggots as soon as I saw Pannell's name in the ump list. He made the big error last week and his penance was? More of the same please. I also went on to say that the AFL believe that 90% of AFL fans are dumb as dog's you know what, and this is the line that keeps coming up. It's total rubbish, almost as factual as a ruck rule stating no straight arm fend offs.

After our reaming against Carlton in R22 last year, where the same line was pumped out about 2nd to the contest blah, blah, blah to explain why we were only worth 5 free kicks for the entire game (yep, 5), I did my own analysis. Of all the 'basic' stats the AFL provides, the one with the most correlation to victories is guess what? Free [censored] kicks! Not possessions, not even contested possessions. Not tackles, not clearances. Free [censored] kicks!

Last year the AFL wanted a dogs premiership. They got a favourable draw, they had the umps in the back pocket (pats on bum included) and they duly saluted. Next challenge, orchestrate the make up of the final 8. Surely not, too difficult. Nup, 4 out of the 5 states represented, even came down to the last quarter of the last game of the year. Couldn't have planned it better if they'd tried. Or did they?

It's pretty obvious from here. Who do they want to win? GWS. They'll win, and I'll go out on a limb and say GWS/Essendon grand final. Now wouldn't that be great for the game.

As others have said, it has very little to do with the frees that are paid, it's all about the ones that are missed. Early first quarter yesterday, inside 50 to Pedo for a grab. 2 hands firmly in the back, big push out. Play on. You can tell when the maggots are cheating, there'll be an obvious free kick and they yell out 'play on'. Why are they saying that if there's nothing wrong? Play on from nothing doesn't need to be called.

That leads me to my next point. Does anyone know how to get data on frees for inside 50? We just don't get them. The non-free to Tom Mac on 3 quarter time is just another example of an obvious error, but won't be discussed as it wasn't paid as a free. It essentially never happened. We get crucified inside 50 week in week out and I'd guarantee we receive the least i50 frees across the league. Left nut on the line! Have a look at the replay and tell me which umpire was camped out in our forward 50 most of the game. I'll give you a guess.

Call me crazy, I don't care. If you're a conformer I don't mind (not referring to you Deev), all I can hope for is to slowly raise awareness of these things. They're happening, it's real. The climate is changing!

Great post! I think umpires should have to front a URP (umpires review panel) for poor decisions with suspensions or public lashings in the town square handed out for those found guilty.

[Clintosaurus 7,836]

The AFL is now equal to or worse than the NRL in terms of manufacturing outcomes. TV broadcasters must be included too. It's entertainment now and all geared to maximising revenues. We don't generate enough $$$$$$ so need to overcome these influences. Seems we are not at that level yet. 

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

10 hours ago, leucopogon said:

Great post! I think umpires should have to front a URP (umpires review panel) for poor decisions with suspensions or public lashings in the town square handed out for those found guilty.

Little known fact: there actually is a URP. Our spies in AFL house managed to sneak us a rundown on this morning's proceedings.

 

Scene: AFL house: Gil McLachlan's office. It is wood panelled with high ceilings, decorated with tapestries, rare masters and antique china. Gil sits behind a huge oak desk.

The door opens and an umpire enters.

Ump: Oh, sorry. I thought this was where the umpires review meeting was being held.

GM: It is. Come in.

Ump: Where are the others?

GM: What others?

Ump: The rest of the panel.

GM: Oh, that. Don't worry about that. I am the panel.

Ump: No umpires director? No operations manag--

GM: Let's get down to it. There have been reports that you had a stinker on Saturday.

Ump: I'm sorry. I know I had a bad day. We all did. I just went to pieces after that deliberate out of bounds where the--

GM: Oh, don't be silly. I don't care about any decision you made.

Ump: Well, it was a decision that I didn't m--

GM: Yes, yes. Or that. Look, don't worry about it. Let the media have their fun and games. Crowds are up. Ratings are up. Betting turnover is up.

Ump: I considered the provisions of rule 15.2(a)(ii) where it clearly st--

GM: Of course you did. Look, whatever it was, don't do it again. Alright?

Ump: We looked at the free kick count at half time and decided we'd better--

GM: Good, good. I've got the weekend attendance figures here. 262,000, just above the season average.

Ump: Are you not worried about--

GM: Fine. Damned fine. Cigar?

Ump: Yes, thank you, I think I--

GM: Not you. I was thinking out loud. Yes, I will have one.

Ump: So am I being penalised for Saturday?

GM: Hmm? Are you still here?

Ump: Well ... what about our meeting?

GM: Oh yes. Meeting adjourned. Now where did I put the brandy?

[leucopogon 1,519]

Nice work, sounds about right

[deebug 1,754]

12 hours ago, leucopogon said:

Great post! I think umpires should have to front a URP (umpires review panel) for poor decisions with suspensions or public lashings in the town square handed out for those found guilty.

Finely some body who understands. Now only if we could convince the AFL?

[Call Me What You Will 751]

I'm still banging on about the 2 Umpires at yesterday's Eagles game being Western Australian. I'm happy to be corrected, but No 22 and No6, are I think, listed as Western Australian. Does that not raise a whiff of an integrity problem in a game involving a Western Australian side in a game critical to the outcome of the whole competition? I know integrity and the AFL don't really mix, but fair dinkum....Incidently I thought the Crows were slaughtered at key moments. The front on tackle in the goal square to Crows McGovern - play on, and the free kick for the low tackle to the eagles back pocket, when he had taken the ball, taken the tackler on, been tackled over the boundary line and then dropped the ball. Unbelievable - that was clown No 6.

[Deecisive 1,709]

1 hour ago, Call Me What You Will said:

I'm still banging on about the 2 Umpires at yesterday's Eagles game being Western Australian. I'm happy to be corrected, but No 22 and No6, are I think, listed as Western Australian. Does that not raise a whiff of an integrity problem in a game involving a Western Australian side in a game critical to the outcome of the whole competition? I know integrity and the AFL don't really mix, but fair dinkum....Incidently I thought the Crows were slaughtered at key moments. The front on tackle in the goal square to Crows McGovern - play on, and the free kick for the low tackle to the eagles back pocket, when he had taken the ball, taken the tackler on, been tackled over the boundary line and then dropped the ball. Unbelievable - that was clown No 6.

The free kick count in favour of the eagles got them into the finals. I wonder if the would even have won if the umpiring had been a little more consistent for both sides.

[Jibroni 4,987]

6 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

The AFL is now equal to or worse than the NRL in terms of manufacturing outcomes. TV broadcasters must be included too. It's entertainment now and all geared to maximising revenues. We don't generate enough $$$$$$ so need to overcome these influences. Seems we are not at that level yet. 

Totally agree. Until you have a prepared a full fixture that is not based on club memberships, ratings and $$$ there are always going to be anomalies. 

If we followed the NFL system re: fixturing that would be a good start.

[John Crow Batty 8,861]

In the third quarter I think WC got 3 goals in a row from frees. A couple were there but the same or worse infringements were not being paid at the other end to Adelaide. I believe the disparity with home ground advantage with is becoming worse all the time. 

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,778]

WE WAS ROBBED!!!

I have just finished watching the replay of the Coll. clash, and there were two absolutely GLARING pro-Collingwood umpiring decisions which undoubtedly cost us two definite goals.

1./ First quarter , in our goalsquare, Dunne scooped up the ball on the half-volley,and gave it off to a team-mate  with two open hands,with Hogan directly behind him. Unm,issable goal from 11m. out.

2./Very end of Q3, when Melbourne fighting back strongly. In our goalsquare, Tom McDonald in front, probably about to mark, dragged down to ground by both shoulders. Unmissable goal, giving inspiring momentum into 3/4 time break.

So ,really, we only lost by 5pts, and it cost us a finals berth.

There was no way those frees would not have been paid to Coll. if the situation was reversed. The influence of the howling Mudpie fans made sure they got a good run all match.

[Moonshadow 17,675]

1 hour ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

WE WAS ROBBED!!!

I have just finished watching the replay of the Coll. clash, and there were two absolutely GLARING pro-Collingwood umpiring decisions which undoubtedly cost us two definite goals.

1./ First quarter , in our goalsquare, Dunne scooped up the ball on the half-volley,and gave it off to a team-mate  with two open hands,with Hogan directly behind him. Unm,issable goal from 11m. out.

2./Very end of Q3, when Melbourne fighting back strongly. In our goalsquare, Tom McDonald in front, probably about to mark, dragged down to ground by both shoulders. Unmissable goal, giving inspiring momentum into 3/4 time break.

So ,really, we only lost by 5pts, and it cost us a finals berth.

There was no way those frees would not have been paid to Coll. if the situation was reversed. The influence of the howling Mudpie fans made sure they got a good run all match.

Amazing how the umps knew the results of the following day's game and how those two incidents would cost us a finals berth. Remind me to call Pannell and get the weekend's lotto numbers.

Did we also lose to Freo,  Norf x 2, and Whorethorn because of the umps?

We didn't make the finals because we went to water when it counted, not because of any umpiring conspiracy. 

While umpiring standards haven't risen with the increase speed of the game, they are mostly correct. It's a sh!t job, no one like them, but let's try and keep the foil hats off where possible.

[jnrmac 20,053]

On 8/27/2017 at 4:08 PM, poita said:

Any team that is second to the football is going to concede more free kicks than it receives, ie Melbourne yesterday, and especially in the first quarter. Don't blame the umpires for the players poor efforts.

 

I call BS on this spurious assumption.

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

On 8/28/2017 at 1:22 AM, FireInTheBelly said:

Of course there isn't, it's not a fact. I wrote in the match selection thread that we'd be pack raped by maggots as soon as I saw Pannell's name in the ump list. He made the big error last week and his penance was? More of the same please. I also went on to say that the AFL believe that 90% of AFL fans are dumb as dog's you know what, and this is the line that keeps coming up. It's total rubbish, almost as factual as a ruck rule stating no straight arm fend offs.

After our reaming against Carlton in R22 last year, where the same line was pumped out about 2nd to the contest blah, blah, blah to explain why we were only worth 5 free kicks for the entire game (yep, 5), I did my own analysis. Of all the 'basic' stats the AFL provides, the one with the most correlation to victories is guess what? Free [censored] kicks! Not possessions, not even contested possessions. Not tackles, not clearances. Free [censored] kicks!

Last year the AFL wanted a dogs premiership. They got a favourable draw, they had the umps in the back pocket (pats on bum included) and they duly saluted. Next challenge, orchestrate the make up of the final 8. Surely not, too difficult. Nup, 4 out of the 5 states represented, even came down to the last quarter of the last game of the year. Couldn't have planned it better if they'd tried. Or did they?

It's pretty obvious from here. Who do they want to win? GWS. They'll win, and I'll go out on a limb and say GWS/Essendon grand final. Now wouldn't that be great for the game.

As others have said, it has very little to do with the frees that are paid, it's all about the ones that are missed. Early first quarter yesterday, inside 50 to Pedo for a grab. 2 hands firmly in the back, big push out. Play on. You can tell when the maggots are cheating, there'll be an obvious free kick and they yell out 'play on'. Why are they saying that if there's nothing wrong? Play on from nothing doesn't need to be called.

That leads me to my next point. Does anyone know how to get data on frees for inside 50? We just don't get them. The non-free to Tom Mac on 3 quarter time is just another example of an obvious error, but won't be discussed as it wasn't paid as a free. It essentially never happened. We get crucified inside 50 week in week out and I'd guarantee we receive the least i50 frees across the league. Left nut on the line! Have a look at the replay and tell me which umpire was camped out in our forward 50 most of the game. I'll give you a guess.

Call me crazy, I don't care. If you're a conformer I don't mind (not referring to you Deev), all I can hope for is to slowly raise awareness of these things. They're happening, it's real. The climate is changing!

Great post FIB, wonder if our blokes were told BEFORE game "don't give away any frees in first quarter" and so they played to those instructions. I have not, and will not watch that game now, because i had a feeling what was going to happen, and it did.

When the Maggots start coping their real abuse, as usual come Finals Time , they will have a dilemma, because all the favorites (teams) are there and they will be left to abide (decipher) with whats left of a mess of rules the EFFool started. 

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

Anyway let's all celebrate "brown paper bag week"..........

and for those without credence, wear one........

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,778]

 

Mr Moonshadow

YOU used the term "conspiracy".

I contend that the umpires are influenced by bleating from the crowd. They should be above this.

I pointed out errors in the Collingwood game which cost us a finals berth. You didn't address this.

By the way , we DID  lose the two games to North because of dubious umpiring decisions, and last year ,too, for the same reason. But that's irrelevant to my argument .

 

Edited September 1, 2017 by Jumping Jack Clennett
Typo and explanation of to whom I was replying.

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,778]

On 27 August 2017 at 4:08 PM, poita said:

Any team that is second to the football is going to concede more free kicks than it receives, ie Melbourne yesterday, and especially in the first quarter. Don't blame the umpires for the players poor efforts.

 

Wrong.

Melbourne out -possessed Coll. in Q1, and the time in forward line was 55:45 in our favour.

Explain that.

[mrtwister 652]

Lot of dodgy calls keeping the Vics close in the EJ Whitten game tonight.

Eddie McGuire must have used his numerous media roles to publicly state they were hard done by last time they played.

Voila

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

I hear that tonight's three umpires get the GF.