Deserves a good old chat.

Personally I think the whole AFL are corrupt and try to even up games to protect their image of an even competition, but...

Why are we so slaughtered with blatant frees? 

Are we not playing to the rules?

Are we undisciplined?

I seriously question some umpiring decisions in recent seasons, Razor and Matt Nicholls are by far the worst against us. It's very bad and disappointing that one of the games best ruckmen, Gawn, gives up trying when he doesn't know whats happening. We always seem to be on the wrong end of the stick... It's not about totals, its about blatant frees not paid

Edited August 13, 20178 yr by SFebey

2017 numbers: 382 frees for, 384 frees against.

Do you honestly think there's a deliberate biased against the club, or that umpiring is inconsistent and, as supporters, we remember the ones that go against us...

3 minutes ago, wise said:

2017 numbers: 382 frees for, 384 frees against.

Do you honestly think there's a deliberate biased against the club, or that umpiring is inconsistent and, as supporters, we remember the ones that go against us...

I think both tbh, umpiring this year across the board has been terrible but we have had some shocking ones, today and North x 2 off top of my head. Which is why I asked the questions, are we undisciplined etc.. It's not about totals, its about blatant frees not paid. Up until mid season, from memory we were 17-18 in league for frees for.

Edited August 13, 20178 yr by SFebey

2 minutes ago, wise said:

2017 numbers: 382 frees for, 384 frees against.

Do you honestly think there's a deliberate biased against the club, or that umpiring is inconsistent and, as supporters, we remember the ones that go against us...

No agenda against any club    but pretty poor decisions today..  I usually do not even worry about umpiring but some Barry Crockers  today

I think they favor a team who is behind at different stages of a game to swing momentum and today it worked a treat, frees ended up 20/20 so as to not make it obvious, goody said in his presser they will be asking the afl what gawn did wrong today 

Gawn always gets murdered yet seems to give frees away? It's bizarre 

I absolutely agree with you SFebey.  I have never been one to be critical of umpiring in all of my 50+ years of watching and playing footy.  My philosophy has always been to cop it on the chin and play on. BUT...I feel that there is a blatant bias against us with umpiring.  I tend to watch up to 6 games each weekend and there is no doubt that we are copping the sharp end of the stick compared to other teams.  Big Max really copped it today.  Generally, I am fairly subdued but my wife had to come into the TV room and tell me to "keep it down" when Billy Longer got a free kick after Max (apparently) pushed him out of the contest at a centre square bounce despite Longer's hand being in Maxy's face!

It is probably a ridiculous thing to even contemplate, but it seemed the umpires were playing St Kilda back into the game this afternoon.  Maybe I'm too one-eyed but surely I am not alone with these thoughts?

Tiger fans claim they are hard done by. Have a -70 odd differential, so -2 isn't too bad

Spot on.

1 minute ago, ProperDee said:

I absolutely agree with you SFebey.  I have never been one to be critical of umpiring in all of my 50+ years of watching and playing footy.  My philosophy has always been to cop it on the chin and play on. BUT...I feel that there is a blatant bias against us with umpiring.  I tend to watch up to 6 games each weekend and there is no doubt that we are copping the sharp end of the stick compared to other teams.  Big Max really copped it today.  Generally, I am fairly subdued but my wife had to come into the TV room and tell me to "keep it down" when Billy Longer got a free kick after Max (apparently) pushed him out of the contest at a centre square bounce despite Longer's hand being in Maxy's face!

It is probably a ridiculous thing to even contemplate, but it seemed the umpires were playing St Kilda back into the game this afternoon.  Maybe I'm too one-eyed but surely I am not alone with these thoughts?

Funny you say this, all of my friends will say the same of me, I always used to tell them to stop blaming the umpires but this year has raised some questions IMO.

9 minutes ago, wise said:

2017 numbers: 382 frees for, 384 frees against.

Do you honestly think there's a deliberate biased against the club, or that umpiring is inconsistent and, as supporters, we remember the ones that go against us...

The numbers are irrelevant when they pay questionable frees at centre clearance during the pivotal points of the game opposed to dinky last quarter ones in junk time after we have taken a mark anyway or already played on to advantage.

they do this to just even up the numbers time and time again.

Knowing our luck we'll reach the grand final and have Razor and Nicholls officiate proceedings. 

At one stage today it was 18-11 their way,  finished up 20 apiece .

I reckon we were gifted a few in the last qtr  to make up for some of the shockers earlier on. 

Just now, Demi Dee said:

Knowing our luck we'll reach the grand final and have Razor and Nicholls officiate proceedings. 

See that's my point, why is it so obvious with those two?! Blatant cheats. Nicholls is the worst, before the Port game he waved and winked to two Port fans in the crowd, I felt like vomiting. I asked the two supporters if they knew him and laughed and said no.

Just now, Hell Bent said:

At one stage today it was 18-11 their way,  finished up 20 apiece .

I reckon we were gifted a few in the last qtr  to make up for some of the shockers earlier on. 

See, that shouldn't bloody happen. Pay the frees for what they are stop the corruption. I tell ya, it exists!

3 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

At one stage today it was 18-11 their way,  finished up 20 apiece .

I reckon we were gifted a few in the last qtr  to make up for some of the shockers earlier on. 

8-0 in the third when the game was on the line.

Bunch of dinky ones in junk time to us after we had already taken a mark or taken advantage to even up the numbers.

We seem to get a lot of junk time frees when the game is dead...

Shorty killed us today. Baldy always kills us. Are they Razor and Nicholls?

If it's true that there is an umpiring bias then who pulls the strings? Gill, the umpires themselves or other factions within the AFL ? And for what reasons? Is there communications before and during the games to the umpires to direct the outcome? 

I would love to see a conspiracy documentary about it.

P.S. Razor has no soul.

 

Just now, Emerald said:

If it's true that there is an umpiring bias then who pulls the strings? Gill, the umpires themselves or other factions within the AFL ? And for what reasons? Is there communications before and during the games to the umpires to direct the outcome? 

I would love to see a conspiracy documentary about it.

P.S. Razor has no soul.

 

It's probably the Football Operations Manager, whoever that is these days.

45 minutes ago, wise said:

2017 numbers: 382 frees for, 384 frees against.

Do you honestly think there's a deliberate biased against the club, or that umpiring is inconsistent and, as supporters, we remember the ones that go against us...

No but the standard is woeful.

There has to be something behind the scenes that makes the free kick count roughly even at the end of the match and the team falling behind gets some soft calls. You never ever hear or see umpire performance reviews, in the NBA all games have them

Edited August 13, 20178 yr by david_neitz_is_my_dad

59 minutes ago, brendan said:

I think they favor a team who is behind at different stages of a game to swing momentum and today it worked a treat, frees ended up 20/20 so as to not make it obvious, goody said in his presser they will be asking the afl what gawn did wrong today 

I think this is it. Kind of like in Mario cart where you get better items in the ?'s. Today rather than it being subtly paying a soft free, which they did a number of times, they also threw in a few random ruck infringements in a row to halt our centre clearance dominance.

One my friends that sits with us has one of those umpire radios, and she heard razor ray saying to Trac I'm watching you.

Once was bad enough but he said it again to Trac, would be the last player to any thing nasty to any one, so it came as a shock to all of us who were there.

Gawn's free kicks and the one against Jetta in the second were baffling.