1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Whether it's May or someone else I think the McDonalds and Frost are too flaky to rely on if you're on the cusp of a grand final.

I definitely think a quality key defender in the May and Hurley mould is a necessity.

Btw, Rance is in the conversation for best ever key defender.  He's 194cm.  

May's height is fine, especially with his strong body and reading of the play.  

That said, with Gawn's return imminent I'm not averse to improvising with Pedersen down back.  I like him more as a defender than stay at home forward.

Also, Weideman is also struggling, but he's a smart footballer with good hands.  I'd give him a crack in defence at Casey and see how he goes.  It only has to be for this season, but he may prove his worth as a defender and be a viable option at AFL level later in the year.

And on this topic, Paul Roos on League Teams said he'd like to see OMac play forward (Instead of TMAC) while we have the holes in our spine, as he played forward as a kid. Wouldn't it be ironic if OMac became a more than adequate forward with an ability to take a grab (add in some goalkicking training) and Wiedeman became a Dustin Fletcher esqe defender in the VFL (hopefully AFL too) - Worth a try if it plugged even 1 hole.

Edited May 30, 20177 yr by DominatrixTyson

The issue is intensity and pressure further up the ground.

27 minutes ago, Devil is in the Detail said:

The issue is intensity and pressure further up the ground.

Sometimes it is.

And sometimes it isn't.

35 minutes ago, bananas said:

Fact is, not one game we've lost this year has been lost because of the back six.

We still need another four or five guys who can RELIABLY play in the midfield and/or play a role running between the arcs, and who can maintain an AFL standard of both skills and intensity from week to week. Some of those four or five might be on the list already (I have hopes for Brayshaw, Stretch, ANB, Harmes, Kent, Bugg, etc.) but until a bunch of them prove their worth week after week after week, we're still going to have those down games that cost us dearly.

And it's not gonna be the fault of the defence.

Well. No. That's not a fact. That's an opinion. We have a lot of improvement left in us in the midfield, that much is true. But we've been smashing clearances, contested ball and tackles all year. We're one of the best sides in that regard. When we lose, it's not because the midfield is't pulling its weight.

Another opinion: Our inside fifties have been appalling. We get slaughtered on the rebound every week. Our wins were on days when we curtailed the influence of opposition HBs (Saints), or when we were against sides that made errors when slingshotting the ball (dons). If we can hit a target going inside fifty consistently, THEN our results are different. Hence why Jesse up and running is of so much importance.

28 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Sometimes it is.

And sometimes it isn't.

Really. In all of the games that we have been down 4-5 goals and came back to either win or for a close loss, for me, it has been the difference in intensity and pressure up the ground. It is how we beat Adelaide, Gold Coast, Carlton, St.Kilda. I is how we came back against Hawthorn, North Meblbourne and Nearly beat Geelong. In combination with short flat forward fifty entries.

2 hours ago, DominatrixTyson said:

And on this topic, Paul Roos on League Teams said he'd like to see OMac play forward (Instead of TMAC) while we have the holes in our spine, as he played forward as a kid. Wouldn't it be ironic if OMac became a more than adequate forward with an ability to take a grab (add in some goalkicking training) and Wiedeman became a Dustin Fletcher esqe defender in the VFL (hopefully AFL too) - Worth a try if it plugged even 1 hole.

I was thinking the same thing. OMac is probably going to give more than Weideman as a forward and TMac can go back a bit more depending on the side. Would work for Collingwood with Frost taking Moore.

 

19 hours ago, grazman said:

Ahhh - I see you've fallen for the player that is a spud against every other team, but played alright against Melbourne once in their career.  See Tim O'Brien.

Yeah, I have.

He is 22, only played 13 odd games, 7 this year, mainly because of injury and put into the right system and structure I think he would be a good addition. He beat Tommy Mac in many one on ones which was a good effort. Also he will cost half what May would. We need another tall defender. 

I may be wrong but I think your confidence that he is no good after only 13 games is a bit premature.

I also think O'Brien is developing into an O.k player. 

Lets just add Fyfe and Dusty and we can forget about the back 6..?

4 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

And the Port Adelaide supporter would say the exact opposite.

That's assuming you could understand them...

Looks as though Zero Hanger might get some of their information from Demonland.

https://www.zerohanger.com/reports-adelaide-young-gun-high-melbournes-radar-12747/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=AFL+Zero+Hanger

Gee, May is an ordinary player. Struggles to impact contests and for a bloke of his size, he's pretty soft 1v1.

Wouldn't pay much for him.

Edited June 3, 20177 yr by A F

30 minutes ago, A F said:

Gee, May is an ordinary player. Struggles to impact contests and for a bloke of his size, he's pretty soft 1v1.

Wouldn't pay much for him.

I (used to) like him but I have noticed this a lot this year. The amount of times he makes good position and then misses the ball or lets it through is outrageous, it's like when Tom McDonald is having one of those games. However, he is a nice kick, I am going cold on him though.

Edited June 3, 20177 yr by Watts the matter

 

 

On 24/05/2017 at 6:53 PM, Redleg said:

What would Hawks give to GC they have no picks. 

 Vickery? ??

Lucky for May that Casboult can't kick.

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Lucky for May that Casboult can't kick.

Or take a chest mark.

I think it's safe to assume he's re-signed

Trengove is a shocking kick do we really need another with average kicking skills.

8 minutes ago, Win4theages said:

Trengove is a shocking kick do we really need another with average kicking skills.

Lever is a good kick!

Has officially re-signed with the Suns.

It's a two year deal, so he could be back in play in 18 months time, but it takes him off the table for now.

Didn't like him anyway.....

On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 0:57 AM, Win4theAges said:

Trengove is a shocking kick do we really need another with average kicking skills.

Maybe u have him confused with another player Trengove is normally a very good kick

28 minutes ago, samcantstandya said:

Maybe u have him confused with another player Trengove is normally a very good kick

you have got be kidding Jackson Trengove from Port shocking kick around the ground.

On 24/05/2017 at 9:58 AM, Nasher said:

This feels to me like one of those topics that we heatedly argue about for ages, then he signs a long term deal with his current club in July. 

Surely he's not going anywhere.

Thought so. Didn't get the long term deal right but as if he was going to leave.

Rumours that he's gettable on Footy classified because of being an unrestricted agent at the end of 2019, and a trade being possible this year. "Collingwood linked to him" Like they're linked to everyone. Could we trade Tyson and another player?

Edited July 4, 20186 yr by John Demonic

8 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Rumours that he's gettable because of being an unrestricted agent at the end of 2019, and a trade being possible this year. "Collingwood linked to him" Like they're linked to everyone. Could we trade Tyson and another player?

In a heartbeat for me