Jesse Hogan's Return

[deanox 8,944]

Waa only a couple of grabs and a straight kick off having a good night.

 

Unfortunately he is a confidence player. If he clunks or jags them early, he is often on for the day.

[Return to Glory 7,846]

3 minutes ago, deanox said:

Waa only a couple of grabs and a straight kick off having a good night.

 

Unfortunately he is a confidence player. If he clunks or jags them early, he is often on for the day.

He's a frustrating player at times and I sometimes fear that he will become a nearly-but -not -quite player for us. Hope not.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Playing terribly. Still popped up for his 6+ marks. Still haven't seen anything to show me he'll be a lesser player than Joe. Just an awful year luck wise. Absolutely awful. The off season will really help his mush I think. I know if it was me I wouldn't have even looked at a football again in 2017.

[layzie 30,243]

Just needs to get some games into him. It will come, was a few clunkers off a decent nights work.

[Demon Dynasty 16,285]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Play him up the ground. His kicking will always limit his effectiveness up forward

I agree with that also.  His kicking method, his inability or unwillingness to lead up to a pressured ball carrier to provide an option (ie; almost always playing too deep and from behind his opponent instead of offering multiple leads playing in front), and lack of 2nd/3rd efforts once the pill hits the ground is pretty average old school footy and isn't going to help us kick a winning score very often.

To take a 30+ meter run up to attempt a kick at goal from 10 meters out on a very slight angle is clear proof that he just isn't sure about his own kicking style at goal.  Makes the easy things look so difficult at times.  May need some time away from the forward line to work on the rest of his game.  His confidence in front of the sticks is shot unless he is directly in front and within about 15 meters tops.

Only his 2nd game back but he just doesn't seem to be capable of performing consistently enough and at a high enough level to justify a place up forward at the moment once Watts returns.  Not enough pressure inside 50 when we lose the ball either.

How is Weids doing after his 6 bag haul a few weeks back?  Still another pre season away at least I'm guessing.  But after this year, spent mostly at Casey, and another pre season I have a sneaking suspicion he may well overtake the Hulk next year provided he can put a little bulk on that shabby frame.

[Ted Lasso 17,308]

I'm not very worried about Jesse, the thing about last night was he was getting space getting to the right spot and dropping the mark or missing the shot so he's doing 95% of it and just not quite finishing. 

Over the next few weeks i think a few more of those will begin to stick and his confidence will come back. 

[Gator 16,921]

So much analysis and intrigue for a young player that has simply missed a lot of footy.

People love to over complicate what's not complicated.

[jumbo returns 6,619]

Omg - let him be

Jesse H is a beast and is one grab away from killing it

[Stretch Johnson 2,602]

Agree with the 2 above.  He will clunk one, put it 20 rows back and away he will go.

[markc 975]

he takes the best backman every game he plays , sometimes 2 

its about team balance , with Jessie in the side Watts and so get better and not as good hackman 

he is not our problem , its all the players out at the moment 

he will only get better as time goes on, and bloody hell he has had cancer it takes allot out of you. 

you cant just have a needle or a tablet and be fine ( hopefully oneday) 

give him time and let him do what he can for now 

mark

[monoccular 16,595]

Jesse, at the moment, has more confidence and contributes a lot more when he plays up the field - CHF / wing / midfield - and Tom though he had an 'ordinary' night by his recent standards offers more deep forward. 

And when JW4 gets back, pressure will be shared and Jesse's confidence will rise.

He has had an absolute [censored] of a year with so many deep issues, he needs and deserves al our support

Edited July 16, 2017 by monoccular
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[Demons11 6,406]

22 hours ago, Jack son 5 said:

As much as I hate to say it, Jess needs to take a break away from the game until next season. We all love the boy, but clearly wasn't ready for a return.

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.  He has missed 10 weeks of footy and it's going to take a few weeks to click. 

[Pates 9,551]

I think for the rest of the year Jesse should be played as a CHF, at least until his confidence and match fitness returns. He can be quite mobile for a big guy and getting him further up the group will keep him involved in the play. 

Its going to take time for things to click for him, he's had a rough year by any measure. With any luck he will really hit his straps towards our last finals push. 

[Redleg 38,433]

2 hours ago, monoccular said:

 

He has had an absolute [censored] of a year with so many deep issues, he needs and deserves al our support

Agree totally. Football will help him and he will help the side once he gets a few games under his belt and until then and beyond, he should get our full support. 

[mattjm 151]

agree with both sides of the argument...

he needs to stop acting like a petulant child on field... both when he is in form or out of it. full stop

[Jack son 5 162]

32 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.  He has missed 10 weeks of footy and it's going to take a few weeks to click. 

Just curious if you were at the game?

I was and watched him closely off the ball. It's like your implying that I don't want him to play. I hope he comes out and kicks 6 goals next week. I was simply making an observation based on what I was watching. 

[bandicoot 1,395]

22 hours ago, Jack son 5 said:

As much as I hate to say it, Jess needs to take a break away from the game until next season. We all love the boy, but clearly wasn't ready for a return.

Lucky you don't have any involvement with the coaching staff... 

[Gator 16,921]

Discussion on Hogan's body language is arguably the most overrated topic I think I've witnessed in football.

It's a non issue.

[puntkick 325]

3 hours ago, ProDee said:

Discussion on Hogan's body language is arguably the most overrated topic I think I've witnessed in football.

It's a non issue.

Lust like your avatar ! lol !

[ickey_11 145]

If Melbourne hold on they will need a fit and in form Jesse for the finals (or even the last couple of games to make it ). The club is making the call that he will be both if he plays AFL and not VFL. 

Edited July 16, 2017 by ickey_11

[Gator 16,921]

1 hour ago, puntkick said:

Lust like your avatar ! lol !

I have no clue what you're on about. 

But having just watched my favourite tennis player of all time I'm not fussed. 

[puntkick 325]

24 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I have no clue what you're on about. 

But having just watched my favourite tennis player of all time I'm not fussed. 

It's time to not give that goose any more time .Please revert to whatever and proceed  with you're great posts .

[faultydet 7,593]

Often when a player is out of form, you read the coaches saying they just need to "work on the basics", and form will return.

"The basics" are pressure acts, tackling, shepherding, and small things like knock on's etc.

The thing that disappoints me about his return is not his lack of touch, but a continuation of his previous unwillingness to chase and tackle if he fails to take a mark. He is a bystander more often than not, in a full ground modern press that requires every player doing their bit.

His form 2 games back doesn't bother me.

His defensive effort does.

[DeeWiz 293]

I thought Hogan was better in his second week back, got his hands to the footy a bit more and took 7 marks. It could have easily been 10+ marks, he got a bit unlucky with a couple grabs and dropped a sitter (although on the wing).

I think he's starting click and get back into form. I wouldn't be surprised to see a huge game from him soon once those big marks start sticking.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

He still calls for the ball over the back too often and his second efforts have been non-existent (hopefully because of a lack of fitness).