Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[Diamond_Jim 12,529]

While we talk Lever it is interesting to recall what Dangerfield was traded for. Considering he is the best player in recent times to be traded he is a good benchmark.

"GEELONG has sealed the Patrick Dangerfield trade with Adelaide.

The Cats have given up young midfielder Dean Gore as well as picks No.9 and No.28 to snare the superstar midfielder.

The Cats gain Dangerfield and Adelaide's third-round draft pick, currently No.50.

Gore was pick No.55 at the NAB AFL Draft but was on the verge of senior selection early in 2015 before he suffered a shoulder injury that forced him to miss seven weeks.

He then returned strongly to be part of the selection mix late in the season averaging more than 20 touches a game at VFL level on at least three occasions.  "

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-12/young-cat-set-to-move-home-as-part-of-dangerfield-deal

So for one of the best players in the league Geelong gave up pick 9 and 28 plus a VFL player.

It seems to me that offering our first and second round for Lever is by comparison way overs.

[Demons11 6,915]

12 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

While we talk Lever it is interesting to recall what Dangerfield was traded for. Considering he is the best player in recent times to be traded he is a good benchmark.

"GEELONG has sealed the Patrick Dangerfield trade with Adelaide.

The Cats have given up young midfielder Dean Gore as well as picks No.9 and No.28 to snare the superstar midfielder.

The Cats gain Dangerfield and Adelaide's third-round draft pick, currently No.50.

Gore was pick No.55 at the NAB AFL Draft but was on the verge of senior selection early in 2015 before he suffered a shoulder injury that forced him to miss seven weeks.

He then returned strongly to be part of the selection mix late in the season averaging more than 20 touches a game at VFL level on at least three occasions.  "

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-12/young-cat-set-to-move-home-as-part-of-dangerfield-deal

So for one of the best players in the league Geelong gave up pick 9 and 28 plus a VFL player.

It seems to me that offering our first and second round for Lever is by comparison way overs.

He was a restricted free agent, so it was done in good will. 

A completely different scenario 

[Diamond_Jim 12,529]

4 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

He was a restricted free agent, so it was done in good will. 

A completely different scenario 

Understand but the only diff between the two is that Port can say no and insist the player honour his contract .

What club would do that after the Gary Ablett fiasco

[Moonshadow 17,675]

Comparing Danger RFA situation to a non-RFA out of contract pkayer is apples and oranges

Edited September 17, 2017 by Moonshadow

[Moonshadow 17,675]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jake-lever-set-to-move-on-after-lowball-offer-by-adelaide-crows-20170917-gyj685.html

[Redleg 40,821]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Understand but the only diff between the two is that Port can say no and insist the player honour his contract .

What club would do that after the Gary Ablett fiasco

Not so worried about what Port will say but rather what the Crows will.

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

16 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/jake-lever-set-to-move-on-after-lowball-offer-by-adelaide-crows-20170917-gyj685.html

Why would the Crows start with an offer to Lever of $300k? That is madness particularly to a bloke who is perhaps thinking about going home. You are basically saying we rate you as a very average player. I know it is just an initial offer but it is so far off his worth it is dumb management 

 

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

Crows have cap issues.

They'd be pushing the loyalty and take less play in a good team factor...

Probably offered a couple years with the promise of his next contact to be more substantial.

We obviously also rate him enough to pay to get him out of adelaide

 

[Adam The God 30,123]

1 minute ago, Unleash Hell said:

Crows have cap issues.

They'd be pushing the loyalty and take less play in a good team factor...

Probably offered a couple years with the promise of his next contact to be more substantial.

We obviously also rate him enough to pay to get him out of adelaide

 

If the $300k offer is true, that really was playing with fire. That's an insanely low offer in the post 2017-CBA world. I wonder if they knew he was going? I dunno. It doesn't make a lot of sense. Surely, they'd look to pay him at least $400k, even $450k.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

Agree @A F

I dont know details all i know is criws have cap issues and had to re-sign a few.

It's great news for us 

Edited September 17, 2017 by Unleash Hell

[ding 5,126]

If true, it makes it hard for them to demand 2 first rounders for a bloke they only offered 300k............. Regardless of what we offered.

Edited September 17, 2017 by ding
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[Akum 2,660]

49 minutes ago, ding said:

If true, it makes it hard for them to demand 2 first rounders for a bloke they only offered 300k............. Regardless of what we offered.

It would also be extremely out of character for Adelaide, who have taken a sensible & pragmatic attitude to their top players who want to leave, to do a Carlton and have their first offer to be their final offer.

Adelaide have put their first offer on the table, which is exactly what you'd expect it to be. There's no way anything else will happen to change that situation until they finish their season.

Edited September 17, 2017 by Akum

[Diamond_Jim 12,529]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Not so worried about what Port will say but rather what the Crows will.

ah,,, a mere detail but the point remains the same

 

[buck_nekkid 5,846]

They want two first round picks - sounds like they get their bargaining strategies from Demonland.  They low balled him at $300k, they knocked back a good offer for Gibbs. I think we need to approach this with clear air - We should pay fair, but not overs to Adelaide for the trade.  He wants to come, so let him!  Offer a pack of burger rings and a used toothbrush, and lowball them for starters...

[beelzebub 23,313]

Is he here yet 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

As much as I dislike Geelong, I hope they finish the Crows this week. Just end this saga.

[Its Time for Another 4,189]

1 hour ago, buck_nekkid said:

They want two first round picks - sounds like they get their bargaining strategies from Demonland.  They low balled him at $300k, they knocked back a good offer for Gibbs. I think we need to approach this with clear air - We should pay fair, but not overs to Adelaide for the trade.  He wants to come, so let him!  Offer a pack of burger rings and a used toothbrush, and lowball them for starters...

I don't think anyone in the industry thought  2 first rounders was a reasonable offer for Gibbs. 

[Wilson7 2,648]

Sheahan questions Dees' chase for young star - SEN

Edited September 17, 2017 by DavidNeitz9

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,477]

4 minutes ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Sheahan questions Dees' chase for young star - SEN

He questions the asking price of two first rounders, as most of us do.

[beelzebub 23,313]

Garry , Mike, thanks for reading Demonland. I'm sure your reticence is noted and the MFC FD powers that be will make adjustments.

Bloody hell. These two now going for the Muppett duo awards or what ?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,166]

11 hours ago, fndee said:

Why would the Crows start with an offer to Lever of $300k? That is madness particularly to a bloke who is perhaps thinking about going home. You are basically saying we rate you as a very average player. I know it is just an initial offer but it is so far off his worth it is dumb management 

 

Yeh $300k seems ludicrous no wonder he started looking elsewhere

[Dr. Gonzo 24,166]

10 hours ago, Akum said:

It would also be extremely out of character for Adelaide, who have taken a sensible & pragmatic attitude to their top players who want to leave, to do a Carlton and have their first offer to be their final offer.

Adelaide have put their first offer on the table, which is exactly what you'd expect it to be. There's no way anything else will happen to change that situation until they finish their season.

Plus they owe us for Thompson

[beelzebub 23,313]

Adelaide are the new Essendon

[McQueen 17,864]

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Garry , Mike, thanks for reading Demonland. I'm sure your reticence is noted and the MFC FD powers that be will make adjustments.

Bloody hell. These two now going for the Muppett duo awards or what ?

And they get paid very handsomely for such mind blowing insights.

[Xavierrodway 14]

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Edited September 18, 2017 by Xavierrodway