Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[Watts the matter 1,235]

1 minute ago, bandicoot said:

Pick 10 for lever is plenty. At worst pick 10 and swap of 2nd round picks will suffice. 

No way will dees throw in either watts and Salem + pick 10

While I agree with the first part there is the counter argument that if you are paying a player 800k+ he is worth more than pick 10. He would become our highest paid player. Would we trade our best player for pick 10? Clearly not.

My preference would be to walk away in this case but unfortunately I get the feeling the club will cough up big time.

[mo64 5,491]

Amongst all the crap rumours, how do we propose to get Gaff. He's contracted and worth at least an early 1st rounder.

[faultydet 7,594]

1 minute ago, Watts the matter said:

While I agree with the first part there is the counter argument that if you are paying a player 800k+ he is worth more than pick 10. He would become our highest paid player. Would we trade our best player for pick 10? Clearly not.

My preference would be to walk away in this case but unfortunately I get the feeling the club will cough up big time.

With all of the supposed high end young talent on the list, we have finally arrived at the point of topping up with the finishing touches to have a dip at a flag. Developing another batch of 18yr olds probably wont get us into a grand final in the next 2 or 3 years, whereas adding 2 or 3 very high end talents in areas of weakness just may do that.

We were always going to end up having a dip, and sell the longer term future for a solid crack at the now. I'm comfortable with paying a reasonable price if it means a flag. We would all quickly forget the price while enjoying a month long bender following that flag win.

If our young blokes develop the way we hope, the time to go after the best is now.

[Allus Monk 568]

42 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

 

played more games this year than any other year and as long as we're on top of the thyroid issue he's vital to our future imo

And we have a winner.

[Allus Monk 568]

1 hour ago, hardtack said:

I'd be interested to know just how many football related injuries Salem has a history of having had.  As far as I am aware, he missed the most time suffering from a thyroid condition (hardly football related), then concussion as a result of a brick hitting him in the head (again, hardly football related... self inflicted) and most recently suffered a hamstring injury (and I get the feeling Salem is not the first AFL player to have done a hammy). 

So, just what is this injury history he has, and what "worse prognosis" could the club possibly be holding back on?

I didn't say "football related injury". Perhaps I should have said illness.

[hardtack 10,414]

3 minutes ago, Allus Monk said:

I didn't say "football related injury". Perhaps I should have said illness.

Yeah, fair enough... definitely not an injury, and I'm pretty sure that once his condition is under control, it can be kept under control.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,028]

1 hour ago, mo64 said:

Amongst all the crap rumours, how do we propose to get Gaff. He's contracted and worth at least an early 1st rounder.

Have you ever heard of a bloke named Kent and a little sweetener known as JKH?

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[hardtack 10,414]

16 minutes ago, Allus Monk said:

I didn't say "football related injury". Perhaps I should have said illness.

And further to my last reply, I was kind of replying while (in my mind) referencing Wrecker's comment along the lines of "...but no club will pay enough with his injury history".  Apologies for the confusion.

[Allus Monk 568]

22 minutes ago, hardtack said:

And further to my last reply, I was kind of replying while (in my mind) referencing Wrecker's comment along the lines of "...but no club will pay enough with his injury history".  Apologies for the confusion.

No problems at all. I should have been clearer too!

 

I am worried that there's more going on here though. I've heard thyroid conditions can impeded a person's aerobic capacity for a long, long time. 

[godees 815]

1 minute ago, Allus Monk said:

No problems at all. I should have been clearer too!

 

I am worried that there's more going on here though. I've heard thyroid conditions can impeded a person's aerobic capacity for a long, long time. 

If it's under control it shouldn't have any effect.

[Jack son 5 162]

1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

While I agree with the first part there is the counter argument that if you are paying a player 800k+ he is worth more than pick 10. He would become our highest paid player. Would we trade our best player for pick 10? Clearly not.

My preference would be to walk away in this case but unfortunately I get the feeling the club will cough up big time.

Isn't this only a guide for Compo picks when a free agent leaves.

I don't see any reason why picks should matter to what a team is willing to pay in $$$. If lever is worth a first and second, or some people saying two first rounders, that's fine as it's what he's worth on the market. What another team is willing to pay in dollars shouldn't come into the equation.

 

[Jaded No More 67,688]

20 hours ago, Nasher said:

I loved Nudge because his lies were outrageous and clearly ridiculous. I'm bored to death with the BS artists. Maybe I've been here too long.

We're just getting too old for this

[Dr. Gonzo 23,715]

2 hours ago, bandicoot said:

Pick 10 for lever is plenty. At worst pick 10 and swap of 2nd round picks will suffice. 

No way will dees throw in either watts and Salem + pick 10

If I were the crows I'd want more than pick 10

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,283]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

If I were the crows I'd want more than pick 10

What they want and what they'll get is two different stories. 

Lever is out of contract which means their leverage is already diminished.

I think Pick 10 & Pick 27 will get it done.

[Ted Lasso 18,784]

32 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

What they want and what they'll get is two different stories. 

Lever is out of contract which means their leverage is already diminished.

I think Pick 10 & Pick 27 will get it done.

If it were 2018 pick as well I'd be wanting something else back I reckon coin 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

3 hours ago, faultydet said:

With all of the supposed high end young talent on the list, we have finally arrived at the point of topping up with the finishing touches to have a dip at a flag. Developing another batch of 18yr olds probably wont get us into a grand final in the next 2 or 3 years, whereas adding 2 or 3 very high end talents in areas of weakness just may do that.

We were always going to end up having a dip, and sell the longer term future for a solid crack at the now. I'm comfortable with paying a reasonable price if it means a flag. We would all quickly forget the price while enjoying a month long bender following that flag win.

If our young blokes develop the way we hope, the time to go after the best is now.

I agree with the philosophy but just don't think Lever is the one.

[Deemented Are Go! 3,676]

33 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

I agree with the philosophy but just don't think Lever is the one.

Who do you reckon is 'the one' at the moment that's gettable? 

[Ted Lasso 18,784]

36 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

I agree with the philosophy but just don't think Lever is the one.

A 21 year old all Australian quality intercept defender who is already regarded as a future AFL captain and likely to be a premiership player and has turned in strong performances already in big games and finals. God "the one" must be a handy player if he tops lever 

[beelzebub 23,200]

1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

I agree with the philosophy but just don't think Lever is the one.

I've enquired as to the services of Mr Li. He regrets to inform us he's too busy but did offer us some advice:

If you are always allowed to stop training whenever you feel discomfort, you will find it too easy to give yourself permission to quit !!

He also said..... If we touch his hair he'd kill us...So take what you will ........

[Dee tention 611]

8 hours ago, mo64 said:

Amongst all the crap rumours, how do we propose to get Gaff. He's contracted and worth at least an early 1st rounder.

Pick 17 (gain from Adelaide in Lever trade) & Dean Kent

for Andrew Gaff & Pick 48/or Fraser McInnes

[Demons11 6,712]

4 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

I agree with the philosophy but just don't think Lever is the one.

What's your basis for this?  The fact he intercepts more than any other player, the fact he is 21 yrs old, the fact he is touted as a future captain, the fact he dominated in a final. 

Yep lets pass him up 

[Adam The God 29,392]

9 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Dodoro was fair with us in Melksham and Hibberd deals. And in the Carlisle deal with the Saints too, it was the Saints going too hard there.

That was with the drug suspensions hanging over those trades. Let's hear how he is again this off season. I suspect he'll return to being a jackass.

Edited September 15, 2017 by A F

[Moonshadow 17,551]

10 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Dodoro was fair with us in Melksham and Hibberd deals. And in the Carlisle deal with the Saints too, it was the Saints going too hard there.

You forget Essendrug saved about $1mill in player payments whilst those 2 were suspended. Fair? Hardly. Got out of jail more likely.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

3 hours ago, Demons11 said:

What's your basis for this?  The fact he intercepts more than any other player, the fact he is 21 yrs old, the fact he is touted as a future captain, the fact he dominated in a final. 

Yep lets pass him up 

Lets keep facts as facts. He does not intercept more than any other player and NEVER has. He led the league in intercept marks, not intercepts. 

Dominated? Haha he played a good game in a great team performance, he most certainly did not dominate. 15 touches and a few big spoils which everyone gets excited about when an actual player dominating would have marked them instead of punching to the boundary. 

ADELAIDE v GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY
8 Brad Crouch (Adel)
8 Eddie Betts (Adel)
5 Matt Crouch (Adel)
4 Tom Lynch (Adel)
3 Callan Ward (GWS)
1 Luke Brown (Adel)
1 Richard Douglas (Adel)

Lets talk FACTS if you want, but lets stick to facts.

There's a reasons Adelaides offer isn't close to ours.

7 hours ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

Who do you reckon is 'the one' at the moment that's gettable? 

I would much rather Stringer given he would cost less financially, significantly less trade wise and has a higher ceiling as a footballer.

[Skuit 9,965]

On 9/14/2017 at 4:39 PM, rjay said:

After a quick read through it seems an old favourite (with a new name) has jumped up with the latest plausible information claiming it to be a scoop and from inside information.

 

Judd's Granny is an anagram of Grand Nu Sydj'. Grand New Sigil? A flag could be considered a type of sigil, right? Bam! The Riddler has been Scooby-Doo'd and we're still three weeks shy of Trade Week.