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Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

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3 hours ago, Skuit said:

How many current and passed rockstars read/post on Demonland thread.

 

Wiseblood is obviously Phil Anselmo.

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    8 hours ago, Skuit said:

    How many current and passed rockstars read/post on Demonland thread.

     

    Don't think they'd be reading or posting if they've passed.

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    7 hours ago, dave said:

    Never known a Melbourne 'supporter' to have so much hate on their own players as SWYL

    Over the last 10 years and longer too many supporters and Members have been soft and far to accommadating on this club and the players

    we reap what we sow

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    On 18/08/2017 at 11:20 PM, binman said:

    Perhaps he could also school him on taking a man on in his back half, getting done for dropping the ball 40 meters out and then compounding his error (after his man missed the goal) giving away a silly 50 and giving up a gimme goal.

    How much did they lose by? Oh that's right 3 points. 

    Just imagine the response from some  if the whipping boy had made those errors and cost us a game?  

     

    You're a funny poster.

    I'm not sure how many times you need reminding of how the term 'whipping boy' comes about. But I'll remind you, again.

    Players who generally make many errors are the ones who get stuck with the name. So the reason why Oscar, Frost, Tyson and Watts are highlighted so regularly on demonland is because of the frequency and type of errors they make vs the positive pieces of play they're involved in.

    Yeh, all players make errors/mistakes, I don't need reminding. You've pointed out Lever's on Friday night. But the reason he is not a 'whipping boy' is because of the sheer volume of positive play he creates or is involved in.

    A small example of one attribute being the way he kills a contest with his spoiling. Not just getting a hand on the ball which allows a spill. Genuinely killing a ball so that there's a reset in play. Lever displays this skill at a level that is completely incomparable to Oscar's. The way he spoils compared to Oscar is like chalk and cheese. 

    There is spoiling then there is killing a contest. Lever almost always kills a contest when attempting a spoil. Compare that to Oscar who is 50/50 at best to even get a spoil in, let alone kill a contest. 

    That is one example of many I could give you in regards to the two players. Marking, awareness, composure, speed, ball use, aggression. You can't compare them as players because Lever is so far ahead of Oscar in all of those areas in the game. The goal/scoring saving moments that Lever makes are out of this world. 

    Therefore, a few mistakes from him isn't going to get the same reaction given the level he plays at for the majority of the game. All great players who make mistakes cop far less for it because of their ability to win contests they shouldn't, create scoring chains from nothing, save what would otherwise be certain goals and the list goes on and on.

    Why so hard to understand?

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    8 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

    Wiseblood is obviously Phil Anselmo.

    That's Philip H. Anselmo to you, son.

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    10 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

    That's Philip H. Anselmo to you, son.

    H is for Hansen...not Heritier...

    Sheahan was bang on the money about Lewis leaving the Hawks, and was pilloried before it came out as true

    Here's hoping he's on the money re Lever too

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    6 hours ago, demonstone said:

    Don't think they'd be reading or posting if they've passed.

    Puns may be lowest form of humour but they can still outwit demonstoney-faced pedantry.

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    On 18/08/2017 at 11:20 PM, binman said:

    Just imagine the response from some  if the whipping boy had made those errors and cost us a game?  

    Case in point: Oscar spoil goes over the back and straight to a Brisbane player.

    He rarely spoils with conviction and I hardly see him get a full fist on it at all.

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    45 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

    Case in point: Oscar spoil goes over the back and straight to a Brisbane player.

    He rarely spoils with conviction and I hardly see him get a full fist on it at all.

    He'd probably pop a full fist on your chin if given the chance, Steve. ;)

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    I'd be happy to take Lever, but why do we think he's the highest priority?

    We need a replacement for Vince and other fringe midfielders. It will likely be another couple years and the same will said for Lewis and Jones.

    If we're to truly challenge for a premiership we need one of, if not the best midfield in the competition.

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    I'd love Lever but Kelly would be icing on the cake 

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    Does make me wonder why we haven't been linked to a Dusty or a Kelly (A gun mid etc).
    If we really wanted them there is no reason we would be perhaps the most enticing choice.

    A Lever type won't come available every year, and looking at our key backs I think we are well short.
    Goodwin wants TMac forward. That leaves Oscar, Frost....Garland....???

    We need a key back. Our young mids are still finding themselves and there roles and we'll surely be able to replace Vince, Lewis with free agents next year, year after etc.

    Also if we use our first rounder this year its most likely will be a mid/small type as hardly any bigs in top 20.
     

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    2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

    He'd probably pop a full fist on your chin if given the chance, Steve. ;)

     

    He'd only be a 50/50 chance of connecting properly though.

     

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    According to the AFL site Lever has told the Dogs he won't be going there.

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    25 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

    According to the AFL site Lever has told the Dogs he won't be going there.

    So is this not confirmation to the Crows that he's not staying?

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    7 minutes ago, McQueen said:

    So is this not confirmation to the Crows that he's not staying?

    Odd really.

    Just sign on with the Crows and that would inform all chasers they are out of the race for his services next year and beyond.

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    3 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

    from a crows mate - apparently the wobbles have been told the same as dogs

    So we're next.

    Stayin at Crows

     

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    Haven't seen enough to even guess how good the kid might be, but I have a question.

    Who is going to mind the Danihers, Browns Hipwoods of the world? 

    If Lever is an intercept marking player, who will shut down the skyscrapers?

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    29 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    Haven't seen enough to even guess how good the kid might be, but I have a question.

    Who is going to mind the Danihers, Browns Hipwoods of the world? 

    If Lever is an intercept marking player, who will shut down the skyscrapers?

    That's my concern. Is he the gorilla we need to lock down? Judges the ball in flight well but it would be great to have someone we can just point to the focal point and tell them to go get em.

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    33 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    Haven't seen enough to even guess how good the kid might be, but I have a question.

    Who is going to mind the Danihers, Browns Hipwoods of the world? 

    If Lever is an intercept marking player, who will shut down the skyscrapers?

    Take them out at the legs!

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