Line development coach seems to be the entry point these days, like Brad Miller was doing (not sure who's in there this year).  

A rookie senior coach with rookie line coaches scares the juice out of me.  Bailey had Josh Mahoney and Neeld had Leigh Brown, both players fresh out of the game held in high esteem for their demonstrated potential in coaching and mentoring, but were given far too much responsibility too early.  I'd hate to see Dawes go down the same path.  

Going off topic now but I'm hopeful the (experienced) assistant coaches Roos brought with him - McPherson, Allison, Mathews etc all stay to work under Goodwin.

Its great that Dawes is showing some coaching ability, but why isn't he playing? Surely if he wants to play on next year, he should be playing for Casey now.

I agree that Goodwin needs to be surrounded by experienced assistants.

1 hour ago, poita said:

Its great that Dawes is showing some coaching ability, but why isn't he playing? Surely if he wants to play on next year, he should be playing for Casey now.

I agree that Goodwin needs to be surrounded by experienced assistants.

Achillies is stuffed.

On 29/08/2016 at 10:36 AM, ManDee said:

lol omg i wuz laughing about time sum 1pointed this out 2 us young people it doesnt matter so much time is wasted worrying about these things will it matter at all down the road

 

?? It matters.

Actually, beyond a core level needed for efficiency, the main purpose of detailed grammar is to establish in-group/out-group boundaries.

Much of my career has been about writing 'unwieldy' scientific and data-driven reports and turning them into something coherent for anyone, while retaining formal language and precise meaning. Grammar matters to me, but the grammar tyrants who wander the world looking for people to tell off and look down on are frankly odious.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/chris-dawes-forced-to-wait-on-future-as-melbourne-consider-list-position/story-fni5f91a-1227980767500?from=herald+sun_rss

Here it is for those that can't access the Hun:

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons/chris-dawes-forced-to-wait-on-future-as-melbourne-consider-list-position/news-story/5fdd94383da84ff6596377ebe301dd40

Most depressing part of that article was reading H has two years to run on his contract.

9 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Most depressing part of that article was reading H has two years to run on his contract.

I thought the exact same thing! 

14 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Most depressing part of that article was reading H has two years to run on his contract.

Mind you, I was depressed when I read in that same article, "Retiring coach Paul Roos said he was still confident he could return as a rebounding force for Melbourne." I was depressed because I suspect Roos might struggle to get a kick with the Goodwin gameplan.

On 26 August 2016 at 7:07 AM, camillo said:

Kergunyah South ?

Now Wodonga Raiders so wouldn't need to buy new socks

16 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Most depressing part of that article was reading H has two years to run on his contract.

Not if he retires.

I still think Lumumba can at least be a handy depth player who brings some experience to the younger brigade.  We can't get rid of all our older players.  We all know what happened the last time we did that.

43 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Not if he retires.

I still think Lumumba can at least be a handy depth player who brings some experience to the younger brigade.  We can't get rid of all our older players.  We all know what happened the last time we did that.

He's on a far bigger conract than just being a depth player, that's what concerns me wise. His output nowhere near matches what he's paid. Chris Dawes all over again.

Edited August 31, 20169 yr by DavidNeitz9

1 minute ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

He's on a far bigger conract than just being a depth player, that's what concerns me wise. His output no wher near matches what he's paid. Chris Dawes all over again.

You're his manager? What's his contract worth?

 

Just now, stuie said:

You're his manager? What's his contract worth?

 

Far more than what he has produced, You disagree with that ?

3 minutes ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Far more than what he has produced, You disagree with that ?

But how you can you compare when you don't know what his contract is?

Also, contracts aren't retrospective.

 

Just now, stuie said:

But how you can you compare when you don't know what his contract is?

Also, contracts aren't retrospective.

He would be on at least 400k, if you think he is on less you have no idea, he has been a waste of money, just like Dawes

Just now, DavidNeitz9 said:

He would be on at least 400k, if you think he is on less you have no idea, he has been a waste of money, just like Dawes

The average salary is over 300k.

When they were offered those contracts that's what was needed to be paid, unfortunately we don't have Marty McFly in charge of our list and we can't tell what's going to happen in the future.

Also, you literally have no idea what his contract is, so I hope you appreciate the irony in your comment.

 

10 minutes ago, stuie said:

The average salary is over 300k.

When they were offered those contracts that's what was needed to be paid, unfortunately we don't have Marty McFly in charge of our list and we can't tell what's going to happen in the future.

Also, you literally have no idea what his contract is, so I hope you appreciate the irony in your comment.

Whatever he's on, he's overpaid, even if i don't know exactly what he's on. So Lumumba has been a good pickup has he Stuie ?

1 minute ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

Whatever he's on, he's overpaid, even if i don't know exactly what he's on. So Lumumba has been a good pickup has he Stuie ?

Righto then... I'm out.

 

Get on the blower to the Tigers, straight swap of Dawes for Lennon, they get a key forward, we get a young underperforming mid

Dawes would be a good influence on the younger players, so if they offered him a performance based contract I think that would be a fair thing.  

He knows where he's at, he knows he's not going to get a lot of games, but his influence at both the firsts and Casey shouldn't be underestimated.  

Quality person, hard at it and pretty smart.

6 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Not if he retires.

I still think Lumumba can at least be a handy depth player who brings some experience to the younger brigade.  We can't get rid of all our older players.  We all know what happened the last time we did that.

 

5 hours ago, DavidNeitz9 said:

He's on a far bigger conract than just being a depth player, that's what concerns me wise. His output nowhere near matches what he's paid. Chris Dawes all over again.

Yes there is the monetary aspect to this and that is a concern but for me the initial frustration is that all our bigger name recruits of recents years have been unable to take the field for different reasons. Clark, Dawes and now H, but that's footy....

 

12 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

 

Yes there is the monetary aspect to this and that is a concern but for me the initial frustration is that all our bigger name recruits of recents years have been unable to take the field for different reasons. Clark, Dawes and now H, but that's footy....

 

Vince, Tyson.

It's been confirmed by Mahoney on the AFL website that Pedo will get another contract for next year and that Dawes won't be offered a new deal until the club has gauged the level of interest in market interest in him. Realistically there aren't too many clubs who's be interested in him, possibly Freo to add some structure to their forward line, but can't think of many other suitors at this stage.

 

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-04/melbourne-to-offer-cam-pedersen-a-new-deal

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-04/chris-dawes-has-to-wait-on-decision-on-melbourne-future

Maybe Carlton? Someone will probably take him, sure sounds like his days are done if we can get another forward/ruck option in. Pedersen is just more reliable and there's not a great need to keep both of them if Weideman and Hulett are options.

I don't want to bash him because I think he's given his all, but his body just hasn't given him a chance at his talents dropped away.