THE BOMBERS' DOPING SAGA - THE FAT LADY SINGS

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

What's the point in contesting the lifetime ban from AFL? it's not like anyone would consider hiring him again surely.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

18 minutes ago, Abe said:

What's the point in contesting the lifetime ban from AFL? it's not like anyone would consider hiring him again surely.

He's not really contesting it. He thinks he's shoving it up The Man. Like that's some kind of personal victory.

The fool doesn't realise that he's wasting his own time and resources as well. Or maybe he doesn't care. Any way you look at it he's a dropkick.

[ManDee 7,150]

27 minutes ago, Abe said:

What's the point in contesting the lifetime ban from AFL? it's not like anyone would consider hiring him again surely.

It's about Danks ego. Banned or not he will never get another AFL gig. 

This man has serious issues, and in my opinion he will not be with us for long.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Another baffling outcome:

How could any of the EFC 34 look at Dank and seriously think this guy was an expert in cutting edge pharmaceuticals? Or anything for that matter.

If he came near me with a BS explanation about calves blood and high performance and a needle I would run a mile.

They deserve everything they have received in penalties on that alone.

The players probably looked at him like they would at any outside expert brought in to the club. Like in school days when a student teacher came in. They'd be snickering behind their hands at his haircut and his car.

They'd have no way of working out whether he was a charletan or not. Most likely the question wouldn't even occur to them.

I dare say you are somewhat more worldly than a bunch of players who know nothing about anything except footy, cars and Xbox.

Now Doc Reid, Bomber, Evans, Robson ... should have smelled the bullsh!t and leapt into action. What an indictment that in their various ways they let it occur.

[Chris 2,892]

2 hours ago, Abe said:

What's the point in contesting the lifetime ban from AFL? it's not like anyone would consider hiring him again surely.

He has a lifetime ban from all WADA sports, not just the AFL. 

[daisycutter 29,616]

1 hour ago, Chris said:

He has a lifetime ban from all WADA sports, not just the AFL. 

funny how the hun made a big deal of his (fanciful) claims of how he was going to prove the innocence of the players and get jobe his brownlow back. here's a guy who continually loses court cases, fails repeatedly to turn up to hearings, fails to abide by legal court requirements yet the hun makes a bigger point reporting his hollow claims of "getting jobe's brownlow back".

the quality of journalism these days is so pathetically low and downright lazy 

[jnrmac 20,087]

So the Bombers appear to have settled all their legal claims with their players in relation to the doping programme with cash payments.

I assume this will them be included in the salary cap. Because if it isn't included it will open up a Pandora's Box. Players will sue clubs left, right and centre and then 'settle' the claim with an out of court payment in order to subvert the salary cap.

Much like a certain prime minister that repeatedly sued Murdoch and Packer and settled the claims. The Murdoch tennis court and the Packer swimming pool were paid for by settled defamation claims against newspapers.

Just like Joh Bjelke settling his claim against Alan Bond for $800k.......

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

18 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

So the Bombers appear to have settled all their legal claims with their players in relation to the doping programme with cash payments.

I assume this will them be included in the salary cap. Because if it isn't included it will open up a Pandora's Box. Players will sue clubs left, right and centre and then 'settle' the claim with an out of court payment in order to subvert the salary cap.

Much like a certain prime minister that repeatedly sued Murdoch and Packer and settled the claims. The Murdoch tennis court and the Packer swimming pool were paid for by settled defamation claims against newspapers.

Just like Joh Bjelke settling his claim against Alan Bond for $800k.......

These are civil payments made as a result of a 'settlement' between two parties.  This will be outside the ambit of the AFL imposed salary cap, as the settlements fall under an entirely different jurisdiction, sanctioned by common Law

Edited November 22, 2016 by iv'a worn smith

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

17 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

So the Bombers appear to have settled all their legal claims with their players in relation to the doping programme with cash payments.

I assume this will them be included in the salary cap. Because if it isn't included it will open up a Pandora's Box. Players will sue clubs left, right and centre and then 'settle' the claim with an out of court payment in order to subvert the salary cap.

Much like a certain prime minister that repeatedly sued Murdoch and Packer and settled the claims. The Murdoch tennis court and the Packer swimming pool were paid for by settled defamation claims against newspapers.

Just like Joh Bjelke settling his claim against Alan Bond for $800k.......

According to this, only 18 have settled:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-supplements-saga-bombers-settle-compensation-with-18-players-20161122-gsupyp.html

 

So they've got 16 left to go. One could infer that these remaining 16 may cost more to settle, since they haven't reached payments already and may be more litigious than the previous 18.

 

I assume Jobe is one of the remaining 16, and his payout would probably be higher than anyone else's because of giving up the Brownlow.

 

[biggestred 5,093]

I dont ubderstand why they are getting payouts.

They were responsible for what went into their bodies...

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

2 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

These are civil payment made as a result of a 'settlement' between two parties.  This will be outside the ambit of the AFL imposed salary cap, as the settlements fall under an entirely different jurisdiction, sanctioned under Law

lol last time we went down this road Iv'a, it got pretty heated.

Although I agree with what you've stated, I don't trust that there's not some little wink-wink nudge-nudge deals happening to inflate those civil settlement payouts in exchange for the players taking a lower in-cap payment.

The AFL has said they will monitor the situation to make sure this doesn't happen, although as you say, it's a different jurisdiction so I don't know how they check it all without being able to see half the equation.

Also, I wouldn't trust the AFL to monitor a primary school hallway.

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

11 minutes ago, biggestred said:

I dont ubderstand why they are getting payouts.

They were responsible for what went into their bodies...

I suspect they are being paid to keep their mouths shut.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Just now, Abe said:

I suspect they are being paid to keep their mouths shut.

 

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

20 minutes ago, Choke said:

lol last time we went down this road Iv'a, it got pretty heated.

Although I agree with what you've stated, I don't trust that there's not some little wink-wink nudge-nudge deals happening to inflate those civil settlement payouts in exchange for the players taking a lower in-cap payment.

The AFL has said they will monitor the situation to make sure this doesn't happen, although as you say, it's a different jurisdiction so I don't know how they check it all without being able to see half the equation.

Also, I wouldn't trust the AFL to monitor a primary school hallway.

Essendon's legal advice was clear at a very early stage.  Get your insurer to settle as soon as practicable, to avoid possible and further litigation.

We have learned over the last week that Essendon is well an truly in the red, owing, in the main, to burgeoning legal costs

This is all about a workplace safety issue.  It is akin to some numb skull not following procedure in the workplace and getting hurt.  That person may still be protected under the Work Safety Act.  Those Lawyers practising in this area can make quite a nice living out of it

[Sir Why You Little 37,042]

The Players getting a payout may quash the Publication of Books in future

"My Personal Hell" by Player x

(What i really saw)

[Bitter but optimistic 22,241]

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

funny how the hun made a big deal of his (fanciful) claims of how he was going to prove the innocence of the players and get jobe his brownlow back. here's a guy who continually loses court cases, fails repeatedly to turn up to hearings, fails to abide by legal court requirements yet the hun makes a bigger point reporting his hollow claims of "getting jobe's brownlow back".

the quality of journalism these days is so pathetically low and downright lazy 

Robbo is the chief football writer for that rag.

Says it all really dc.

[beelzebub 23,377]

6 hours ago, daisycutter said:

funny how the hun made a big deal of his (fanciful) claims of how he was going to prove the innocence of the players and get jobe his brownlow back. here's a guy who continually loses court cases, fails repeatedly to turn up to hearings, fails to abide by legal court requirements yet the hun makes a bigger point reporting his hollow claims of "getting jobe's brownlow back".

the quality of journalism these days is so pathetically low and downright lazy 

Your mistake:

Equating the Hun.,....with..... journalism !!

[Stinga2 194]

7 hours ago, biggestred said:

I dont ubderstand why they are getting payouts.

They were responsible for what went into their bodies...

This is true from a WADA perspective and hence the ban.

From a OH&S perspective the club facilitated practices (ie paid for treatments) that were poor for a number of reasons including their health.

[Cards13 9,117]

12 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Another baffling outcome:

How could any of the EFC 34 look at Dank and seriously think this guy was an expert in cutting edge pharmaceuticals? Or anything for that matter.

If he came near me with a BS explanation about calves blood and high performance and a needle I would run a mile.

They deserve everything they have received in penalties on that alone.

But but, Bomber and the Weapon said he was... 

[beelzebub 23,377]

Whatever it takes...and they took whatever they were given, and signed waivers !!

Now, the poor diddums are the victims..no ? Poor hard done by tots

Nothing about this makes sense. The best comedic scripts have nothing on this !!!

[Lucifers Hero 39,818]

Lots of articles this morning about Jobe losing his passion to play after 'losing' his brownlow.  An odd reaction if he voluntarily surrendered it.  Of course here on Demonland we figure the AFL backed him into a corner, with promises of hero type headlines and some future sweeteners.  Bitter taste in Jobe's mouth one would think.

Maybe being back at Bomberland and in the thick of it again brought back the reality of playing for that dodgy club again... Bitter taste in Jobe's mouth one would think.

Whatever, it was he is clearly disillusioned and probably won't play again! 

Of course the millions he gets as EFC settlement may have something to do with it. 

He would be asking himself - why put himself thru the grueling work and probably not even make finals in his likely last season.  He can go and live in the Big Apple for a while and come back to take up those AFL sweeteners.

Crikey, if the culprit, Hird is being lined up for media work imagine the offers coming the way of Hero Jobe.

[rjay 24,928]

9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Lots of articles this morning about Jobe losing his passion to play after 'losing' his brownlow.  An odd reaction if he voluntarily surrendered it.  Of course here on Demonland we figure the AFL backed him into a corner, with promises of hero type headlines and some future sweeteners.  Bitter taste in Jobe's mouth one would think.

Maybe being back at Bomberland and in the thick of it again brought back the reality of playing for that dodgy club again... Bitter taste in Jobe's mouth one would think.

Whatever, it was he is clearly disillusioned and probably won't play again! 

Of course the millions he gets as EFC settlement may have something to do with it. 

He would be asking himself - why put himself thru the grueling work and probably not even make finals in his likely last season.  He can go and live in the Big Apple for a while and come back to take up those AFL sweeteners.

Crikey, if the culprit, Hird is being lined up for media work imagine the offers coming the way of Hero Jobe.

I wouldn't be reading too much into this 'Lucifer', Worsfold like Roos is a master of "smoke & mirrors".

Don't know what the end game is here but you can guarantee the headline isn't it.

[daisycutter 29,616]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Lots of articles this morning about Jobe losing his passion to play after 'losing' his brownlow.  An odd reaction if he voluntarily surrendered it.  Of course here on Demonland we figure the AFL backed him into a corner, with promises of hero type headlines and some future sweeteners.  Bitter taste in Jobe's mouth one would think.

Maybe being back at Bomberland and in the thick of it again brought back the reality of playing for that dodgy club again... Bitter taste in Jobe's mouth one would think.

Whatever, it was he is clearly disillusioned and probably won't play again! 

Of course the millions he gets as EFC settlement may have something to do with it. 

He would be asking himself - why put himself thru the grueling work and probably not even make finals in his likely last season.  He can go and live in the Big Apple for a while and come back to take up those AFL sweeteners.

Crikey, if the culprit, Hird is being lined up for media work imagine the offers coming the way of Hero Jobe.

according to hun. watson, heppell and carlisle are yet to get their millions. maybe these drawn out negotiations are affecting his 'passion'?

and talking of passion but not moving on, bomber's chairman, lindsay tanner, continues to poke the bear by again declaring yesterday that "former coach james hird was welcome at the club at any time". how long can this club continue to wallow in denial?

[beelzebub 23,377]

you cynic DC !! 

[Sir Why You Little 37,042]

I am just sick and tired of seeing Jab Watson's ugly head in the newspaper smiling

convicted Drug Cheat. Captain of the Team. 

Do not ever tell me Jab was not privvy to what was really going on. He would have had many discussions with Hird in his office behind closed doors. 

All 34 should have been given life Bans, along with every official employed there at the time who was part of the chain. 

Dr. Bruce Reid still employed...

Watson Crocodile tears...