32 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

I look at Shaun Burgoyne at Hawthorn.  When he was traded he was a similar player, similar age, coming off an injury restricted year at the same club as Hartlett.  Now that he's a champion people struggle to remember that he was inconsistent, injured, unfulfilled potential at Port.  I'm not saying Hartlett could reach the same heights, Burgoyne is a legend now, but that's the style of input he can offer.

I see what you're saying, but Burgoyne was a much faster, smoother and classier player than Hartlett, and was a leader at Port. There was an injury cloud over him at the time of the trade, lowering his value.

Hartlett would be more of a gamble. Like any trade proposition, it comes down to the cost.

On 9/9/2016 at 9:44 AM, Fifty-5 said:

Yeah, Isaac Smith might become available next year if the Hawks start to tumble down the ladder and look to rebuild.  Sidebottom too, but maybe he's too slow also?

Smith is a gun, but turns 29 at the end of this year. How long does he have left?

5 hours ago, A F said:

Smith is a gun, but turns 29 at the end of this year. How long does he have left?

Turns 28 at the end of this year.  

Didn't realise he was that old though.

6 hours ago, Mach5 said:

I see what you're saying, but Burgoyne was a much faster, smoother and classier player than Hartlett, and was a leader at Port. There was an injury cloud over him at the time of the trade, lowering his value.

Hartlett would be more of a gamble. Like any trade proposition, it comes down to the cost.

This sums it up for me, and Hartlett is a gamble that would cost us too much to make.

Pass for me.

"Essendon in the race for Hartlett"

Oh God. And they've got #1 to trade.

They should receive the same draft pick as where they finished the in 2015. The AFL has become a farce.

http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/2016/9/victorian-club-enters-hamish-hartlett-race/

Edited September 12, 20169 yr by DominatrixTyson

25 minutes ago, DominatrixTyson said:

"Essendon in the race for Hartlett"

Oh God. And they've got #1 to trade.

They should receive the same draft pick as where they finished the in 2015. The AFL has become a farce.

http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/sport/afl/news/2016/9/victorian-club-enters-hamish-hartlett-race/

So they've resigned hurley, heppell etc, and are in the race for O'meara and hartlett. Would love for them to be pinged for salary cap breaches in the next couple of years

On 9/10/2016 at 3:10 PM, Fifty-5 said:

I look at Shaun Burgoyne at Hawthorn.  When he was traded he was a similar player, similar age, coming off an injury restricted year at the same club as Hartlett.  Now that he's a champion people struggle to remember that he was inconsistent, injured, unfulfilled potential at Port.  I'm not saying Hartlett could reach the same heights, Burgoyne is a legend now, but that's the style of input he can offer.

Nooooooooooooooooooo..... Burgoyne was regarded as one of the best clearance players in the comp and a good clearance player back then despite being more inconsistant, Hartlett is very much an outside midfielder trying to play an inside role that doesn't suit him, i think Hamish is an icing on the cake type player and if Port were to pay half his wage and it wasn't a huge trade i wouldn't be against him, but he's not in the same class as Burgoyne, he needs a strong group of inside mids to feed the ball out to him and allow him to use his weapons

7 minutes ago, Abe said:

Nooooooooooooooooooo..... Burgoyne was regarded as one of the best clearance players in the comp and a good clearance player back then despite being more inconsistant, Hartlett is very much an outside midfielder trying to play an inside role that doesn't suit him, i think Hamish is an icing on the cake type player and if Port were to pay half his wage and it wasn't a huge trade i wouldn't be against him, but he's not in the same class as Burgoyne, he needs a strong group of inside mids to feed the ball out to him and allow him to use his weapons

Like Viney, Jones, Tyson and Oliver? 

1 minute ago, Mickey said:

Like Viney, Jones, Tyson and Oliver? 

Exactly, but Hartlett is on about 800k a year, unless Port want to pay at least half that i wouldn't go anywhere near him.

37 minutes ago, Abe said:

Exactly, but Hartlett is on about 800k a year, unless Port want to pay at least half that i wouldn't go anywhere near him.

His salary is going up by $100k every page in this thread.

47 minutes ago, Abe said:

Nooooooooooooooooooo..... Burgoyne was regarded as one of the best clearance players in the comp and a good clearance player back then despite being more inconsistant, Hartlett is very much an outside midfielder trying to play an inside role that doesn't suit him, i think Hamish is an icing on the cake type player and if Port were to pay half his wage and it wasn't a huge trade i wouldn't be against him, but he's not in the same class as Burgoyne, he needs a strong group of inside mids to feed the ball out to him and allow him to use his weapons

Hartlett averages about 3.5 clearances a game so he can contribute there, but that's not what we'd get him for and it's definitely not what Hawthorn got Burgoyne for.  His clearance numbers at Hawthorn are about 3 a game.  If we're going for an available clearance mid we should be looking at Tom Mitchell.  But I don't think that's our greatest need.

2 hours ago, Abe said:

Exactly, but Hartlett is on about 800k a year, unless Port want to pay at least half that i wouldn't go anywhere near him.

And that is probably why Adelaide want to offload him. At that price he needs to be in the top 5-10 midfielders in the game.

Memories of MFC and Woewodin spring to mind.

Seriously if he is on that kind of money there has to something going on at Port which begs the question .... could it be that they have already committed to pay more to one of their stars... who knows ..... but interesting

Edited September 12, 20169 yr by Diamond_Jim

HH would be worth closer to 500k than 750k per year. He and his manager did really well for themselves in negotiating that deal!

HH would be worth closer to 500k than 750k per year. He and his manager did really well for themselves in negotiating that deal!

If he is at $800k Port would clearly have to pay some of his salary to offload him now. Unfortunately we don't have the picks this year to make a deal attractive to them, regardless of what we thought of him or what his eventual salary would be with us. I smell a deal with GCS in the air, they have picks to burn.

7 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

If he is at $800k Port would clearly have to pay some of his salary to offload him now. Unfortunately we don't have the picks this year to make a deal attractive to them, regardless of what we thought of him or what his eventual salary would be with us. I smell a deal with GCS in the air, they have picks to burn.

Maybe, but Port's problem is their salary cap is overloaded.
I have a feeling they may take a bit less than what he'd normally be worth in trade, in turn for the receiving team taking on his entire salary.

Evidence he is on $750-800k please?

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Evidence he is on $750-800k please?

The word of DL posters not enough?

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Evidence he is on $750-800k please?

Evidence that you exist?

12 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Evidence that you exist?

I think I can vouch for that proposition. Fifty-5 is on very close terms with Rene Descartes.

37 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I think I can vouch for that proposition. Fifty-5 is on very close terms with Rene Descartes.

I drink therefore I am.

 

A footy blog considering Descartes, existentialism and boozing, you've got to love it.

On 7 September 2016 at 10:46 AM, A F said:

Would much prefer Prestia or Mitchell than the injury-prone and questionable leadership of HH. He's inconsistent and really isn't a better long term option or even short term option than those two, IMO.

I think I will trust our (current) recruiting team to do full due diligence as to why HH had a pretty poor season by his standards.  If it happens to be some internal club issue, that they feel he will most likely overcome by changing clubs, then he looks just the type and age we need.  If on the other hand he is just clapped out mentally or physically then leave him be 

Came 17th in their B&F from 15 games.  Clearly the coaches are not rating his contribution. 

Did I read that he's had one top 10 finish in his career?

He's so talented, but gee there are red flags. 

40 minutes ago, CP5 said:

Came 17th in their B&F from 15 games.  Clearly the coaches are not rating his contribution. 

Did I read that he's had one top 10 finish in his career ?

He's so talented, but gee there are red flags. 

A slightly more talented Colin Sylvia.

6 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Evidence he is on $750-800k please?

I think that was the figure suggested, when he re signed.