Michael Hibberd and Michael Hurley

[Dr. Gonzo 22,766]

9 minutes ago, SaberFang said:

Sounds like it will be Essendon or the Dogs according to Jake Niall.

He wants guaranteed success, seemingly at the expense of money.

"Guaranteed" success is the stupidest thing I've heard. If he wants guaranteed success he'd be going to the Giants. No one else is guaranteed a flag before he retires.

[daisycutter 28,712]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

DFA'S can be picked up until final list lodgement can't they? So wouldn't have to be resolved during trade week 

i think so yes, but the issue is still how long it would take the grievance tribunal to meet and make a decision, especially with essendrug's army of lawyers potentially using their bag of dirty tricks and delaying tactics.

i'd be fairly confident that an essendon player would be successful at the gt given what has been said previously, but it still has to get to that stage and even then possibly further court action which could add enough delays to miss the trade period entirely. we don't want another mccarthy situation

[braysure 17]

Hurley not going anywhere. Such a typical statement from chappy.. has to say something outrageous to keep his name relevant. 

[Cards13 9,117]

37 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

"Guaranteed" success is the stupidest thing I've heard. If he wants guaranteed success he'd be going to the Giants. No one else is guaranteed a flag before he retires.

Like Goddard going o the Dons as he wanted to play finals hahahahahha 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

5 minutes ago, braysure said:

Hurley not going anywhere. Such a typical statement from chappy.. has to say something outrageous to keep his name relevant. 

Is he knocking the club you support again?  

[Ethan Tremblay 28,725]

12 minutes ago, braysure said:

Hurley not going anywhere. Such a typical statement from chappy.. has to say something outrageous to keep his name relevant. 

Bit like yourself?

Edited August 8, 2016 by Ethan Tremblay

[SaberFang 7,141]

I guess realistically the Dogs look the most likely to challenge GWS without an injury list, but Melbourne followed by St Kilda are comfortably next in line and set up for sustained success (biased but still not sold on the Saints after their senior players retire).

I think most here would agree that Collingwood and Richmond have very questionable youth and depth and seem to be stuck in No Man's Land. North and Hawks are about to drop off the perch and Carlton are 2 years off finals you'd think. Geelong basically sold 2 drafts just to get Dangerfield and that'll hurt them badly in the years to come.

Edited August 8, 2016 by SaberFang

[Ethan Tremblay 28,725]

Personally I thought you'd want to build success and not just walk into it, especially being a footballer.

Edited August 8, 2016 by Ethan Tremblay

[mo64 5,278]

5 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Personally I thought you'd want to build success and not just walk into it, especially being a footballer.

Tell Lake and Frawley that, and they'd laugh in your face.

[Redleg 38,259]

6 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Personally I thought you'd want to build success and not just walk into it, especially being a footballer.

Talk to Chip, Gunston, Lake, McEvoy, Burgoyne, Gibson, etc.

[Nasher 33,187]

9 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Personally I thought you'd want to build success and not just walk into it, especially being a footballer.

For sure, if that's the choice in front of you.  What if the choice is walk in to success, or stick with a club likely to languish in the bottom half of the ladder for the majority of the remainder of your career?

Edited August 8, 2016 by Nasher
languISH, not languAGE

[Willmoy1947 3,828]

Yep, I would go to Footscray, half the bloody backline is going to be out for the finals this year and all of next year at least.

Where he'll be guaranteed a game but not a final. Richmond all over again.

[SaberFang 7,141]

There's no doubt in my mind the Dogs are the closest, when fit, to challenging GWS in the years to come. Followed closely by us once the young brigade have 30+ games under their belt, so 2018.

There's a question mark with me for the Saints. I was fuming when we lost to them a few weeks ago, but of their 10 wins, 4 were against us or the basketcase Bombers. Their percentage is considerably worse than ours which tells the tale. Also look at the age profile of both teams and you'll see which team is destined for sustained success.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,766]

13 hours ago, Cards13 said:

Like Goddard going o the Dons as he wanted to play finals hahahahahha 

Or Buckley to the Pies? I'm sure we could put together a pretty funny list

[Dr. Gonzo 22,766]

13 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Personally I thought you'd want to build success and not just walk into it, especially being a footballer.

Frawley and Lake disagree

 

Edit - i see this point has been made a couple of times above

Edited August 8, 2016 by Dr. Gonzo

[Dr. Gonzo 22,766]

12 hours ago, SaberFang said:

I guess realistically the Dogs look the most likely to challenge GWS without an injury list, but Melbourne followed by St Kilda are comfortably next in line and set up for sustained success (biased but still not sold on the Saints after their senior players retire).

I think most here would agree that Collingwood and Richmond have very questionable youth and depth and seem to be stuck in No Man's Land. North and Hawks are about to drop off the perch and Carlton are 2 years off finals you'd think. Geelong basically sold 2 drafts just to get Dangerfield and that'll hurt them badly in the years to come.

I'm still not sold on the Dogs. They still lack enough good KPP's and I'm skeptical their game will hold up in finals. They don't seem to score enough either.

[faultydet 7,593]

11 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I'm still not sold on the Dogs. They still lack enough good KPP's and I'm skeptical their game will hold up in finals. They don't seem to score enough either.

Wouldn't Hurley go a long way to fixing that?

[Ethan Tremblay 28,725]

25 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Frawley and Lake disagree

 

Edit - i see this point has been made a couple of times above

Completely agree that they would disagree. I just thought there's no way walking into success would be as satisfying as building it. 

If this is what Hurley is after I don't think he'd consider us successful enough yet. Winning our remaining games or at least two of them may help our cause. 

My money is on Hurley ending up at Sydney. 

Edited August 8, 2016 by Ethan Tremblay

[monoccular 16,525]

17 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Agree dc.

To cover their rrrses the AFL need to clear up grievance tribunal outcomes before the trade period. That is unless they permit their own rules to be broken and an agreement to be reached before trade week. Otherwise it will end up an AFL created logistical fk up. Messy, whichever way it's looked at.

So AFL!  These two are not mutually exclusive options 

14 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

DFA'S can be picked up until final list lodgement can't they? So wouldn't have to be resolved during trade week 

One would have to be pretty confident of the outcome of the GT to hold a place until 11:59 though.  Any if EssUndone and the AFL conspire again who knows what rule change on the run they will implement?

[Cards13 9,117]

Was listening to bits and pieces of SEN just before and I am pretty sure Watson said he didn't think and Ess don't think contracted players will be able to walk from Ess. Any players wanting out ie Hurl and Hibb, will have to request a trade.

The arrogance of that club.

[Breggsy 123]

6 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Was listening to bits and pieces of SEN just before and I am pretty sure Watson said he didn't think and Ess don't think contracted players will be able to walk from Ess. Any players wanting out ie Hurl and Hibb, will have to request a trade.

The arrogance of that club.

Can't stand that [censored]. 

When the hibberd news came out that he wanted to leave Watson said he wasn't even sure hibberd was in their best 22 but then went on to say he was worth a first rounder a few sentences later 

[Gator 16,921]

Watson said he wasn't sure of the legal implications or whether Essendon had breached these players contracts.

Once again the Chinese whispers are not being translated accurately. 

[Ethan Tremblay 28,725]

2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Watson said he wasn't sure of the legal implications or whether Essendon had breached these players contracts.

Once again the Chinese whispers are not being translated accurately. 

What Watson said was he doesn't think the players will leave unless a trade deal can be reached purple monkey dishwasher.

[KingDingAling 3,663]

He will walk for next to nothing anyway. If Essendon won't let him go (against his wishes), then he can simply threaten legal action. I doubt they would have a leg to stand on. The fact that worksafe fined Essendon for providing an unsafe environment, won't help them. I don't think they could keep any of their players against their wishes. Players hold the cards here.

[Gator 16,921]

15 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

What Watson said was he doesn't think the players will leave unless a trade deal can be reached purple monkey dishwasher.

Incorrect.

He said what I said he said and he ALSO said that he was no longer as sure that they'd stay AND that Essendon would want a trade of comparable value. 

It's incredible what people "think" they hear.