Now, not putting too much in stock on statistics and all that, but I'd be interested to hear about any other example of 20 disposals at 90% efficiency (our best) being the daming ignoble end to an AFL career.

Who are these people who keep feeling the urge to puff themselves up by making grand denouncements?

"Jayden Hunt is a communist spy, calling it now!"

Another player who will never make us better.  Never. 

He's fine if you're happy treading water. 

Just now, ProDee said:

Another player who will never make us better.  Never. 

He's fine if you're happy treading water. 

Preferable to drowning

Wrong.

2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Another player who will never make us better.  Never. 

He's fine if you're happy treading water. 

Yes - I don't think anyone would argue that we don't need to find someone better, and hopefully soon.  His spot is not under threat right at this moment though.

I thought he was really poor even before the final error which summed him up.

He is not the only one that does it, but he continually evades players and has the chance to run forward but goes backwards and then ends up giving a 5 meter handball which puts a team mate under pressure.

He made a nice pass to Jones inside 50 but other than that I can't think of any meaningful contributions to the game.

And before the people bringing up disposal efficiency keep posting the stat. A handball to a teammate under pressure will count on this statistic but just because you hit the target doesn't mean it was good use of the ball. 

6 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Now, not putting too much in stock on statistics and all that, but I'd be interested to hear about any other example of 20 disposals at 90% efficiency (our best) being the daming ignoble end to an AFL career.

Who are these people who keep feeling the urge to puff themselves up by making grand denouncements?

"Jayden Hunt is a communist spy, calling it now!"

Jayden was wearing a very "Che" black headband at the beginning of the year.

I knew we had to keep a close eye on him but the only revolutionary thing about him is that he is lightning quick,can tackle,kick,and GOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLLL........

I thought his first quarter was good. Bit of both in the middle half of the game. Had chances to go forward with the ball and passed them up. Then the error in the last term that's classic Matt Jones. 0 tackles as well is poor.

Maybe one of Bugg, M Jones and Stretch can make way but our run will suffer.

If you want to take 2 of them out then prepare for Grimes or inside midfielder on the wing. Please explain how that will help us?

Stretch is young. Harmes is young and learning about the wing role (and half back today). Melksham might be an option next year. Hunt could easily go to a wing but we need him at half back. Salem needs a heap of fitness once healthy so he can do the hard running. We are short on wing options. 

Just like Dawes at CHF sometimes a high work rate player with limited skills offers more than an exciting young player who doesn't have the physical ability to do the job.

Matt Jones is a hard blue collar worker. He did his bit today, no need for his crucifixion.

9 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Just like Dawes at CHF sometimes a high work rate player with limited skills offers more than an exciting young player who doesn't have the physical ability to do the job.

We've got a player that has the lot. O Mac.

As for Matt Jones, his performance today was on a par with his performances throughout his career. Unfortunately it shouldn't cut it in a team aspiring to improve. But he's not on his own. Everything I've seen of Bugg isn't much better than that of Matt Jones. I can see Bugg being a whipping boy in the near future.

3 minutes ago, mo64 said:

We've got a player that has the lot. O Mac.

As for Matt Jones, his performance today was on a par with his performances throughout his career. Unfortunately it shouldn't cut it in a team aspiring to improve. But he's not on his own. Everything I've seen of Bugg isn't much better than that of Matt Jones. I can see Bugg being a whipping boy in the near future.

Haha harsh but not necessarily wrong. Although Oscar is young, that can't be denied. He had another bad but almost good day today, in that there were several occasions when he moved to the right position with the right intent and still botched it. Still wasn't the worst young tall defender on the ground, that was Lever.

Your comment about what cuts it in an aspiring team is interesting. Replacing a guy willing to do the hard yards with one who can't doesn't really sound like a plan to me. At the very least Matt Jones and Bugg are part of setting the standards on the work rate required and letting everyone know what's needed come preseason. If young players want his spot then they can show during preseason and in the GPS data that they deserve it!

3 hours ago, Moneider96 said:

Disagree. Was just the one fumble when the game was already over. Played better than Hogan, thats for sure.

Hogan was solid.

3 hours ago, Moneider96 said:

Disagree. Was just the one fumble when the game was already over. Played better than Hogan, thats for sure.

Er, no.

3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I've been one of his biggest detractors, but he was close to our best player in the first half.  He was terrific.

Faded in the second half, no doubt, and that error at the end was bad, but if we based things off an error like than then many of our players wouldn't get a gig either.

Calling it now that he'll be in the side again next week.

I agree He made 1 Clanger which cost a goal but I thought he was pretty good today!!

if m.jones is gone where does that leave Oscar ! 

Instead of a thread on M Jones (who, even if his career isn't over just yet, obviously isn't a key part of our future), maybe we should talk more about Bugg?

Many on here love him but I'm not sold. Far from it.

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Instead of a thread on M Jones (who, even if his career isn't over just yet, obviously isn't a key part of our future), maybe we should talk more about Bugg?

Many on here love him but I'm not sold. Far from it.

Bugg is rubbish. 

2 hours ago, ProDee said:

Another player who will never make us better.  Never. 

He's fine if you're happy treading water. 

He is a space filler, but he fills a need we have which is speed.

He is a good ordinary player and he won't be a part of the team going into the future, but he has been servicable this year, and as we all know, no team has 22 superstars.

43 (mostly) critical responses to his flippant post yet no defence or justification from AJ. What a hero!

0 tackles is unacceptable for the modern day midfielder. Do that under John Longmire and you'll find yourself in the dog house. 

20 minutes ago, Jaded said:

He is a space filler, but he fills a need we have which is speed.

He is a good ordinary player and he won't be a part of the team going into the future, but he has been servicable this year, and as we all know, no team has 22 superstars.

Thanks

Just now, ProDee said:

Thanks

Anytime friend 

Jones is one of our very few outside options. He plays a very important role and has performed well at times this season. Until we have a number of genuine wingers he stays

Edited July 3, 20169 yr by Steve13

2 hours ago, Viscount Cardwell said:

if m.jones is gone where does that leave Oscar ! 

Continuing to develop reasonably well at AFL level. 

3 hours ago, Adzman said:

Matt Jones is a hard blue collar worker. He did his bit today, no need for his crucifixion.

Before he was drafted I thought he was a sparky, not a chippy. Maybe I'm confusing him with somebody else.