The Jesse Hogan Panic Room - all contract talk here

[John Crow Batty 8,879]

I wonder what's Eddie's take on all this?

[DemonOX 8,800]

6 minutes ago, praha said:

It's a business. If his dad is the reason he is undecided, then it is probably better than we force him into a trade. It is a ruthless industry and ultimately the club has been [censored] over too many times and must get this sorted. It may involve us making a decision for him. IMO if he can't commit within the next few weeks, we need to move on. Because if we linger around and he puts of chatter, we have another year of this and ultimately we have less power at the trade and compensation table because he is out of contract. We come out of it good anyway, but imo this needs to be sorted before Christmas. Both Freo and WC are ready to deal *now*. We may be limited next year. 

Disagree this needs to be sorted in the trade period Praha. 

[DV8 2,271]

19 minutes ago, praha said:

Needs to make a decision. If he is keen to go then sort a trade now. 

Trade him now if he's grumbling,  Freo's 2016 1st Rnd pick,  plus they're 2017 1st Rnd pick  & Barlow or similar ;  for Hogan + our 2016 2nd Rnd pick.

I'll be OK with that.

[Sir Why You Little 37,128]

We definately need an answer by trade week (which is Oct 20?)

there is no need to monitor clubs progress next year. That is utter BS 

Interesting that the journos did not mention any illness in the family. 

We are being fed crap from many sides at the moment...

Yay or Nay Jesse

will Goodwin fly to Perth?

I think i would. 

[daisycutter 29,738]

16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The only 'info source' we have is a GNF post last week that the outlook for Jesse's father was dire.  And I'm not sure he is that reliable a source. 

I'd be inclined to go with the journos and the press ie the decision to return to WA will not be made on family matters.

think we have more sources than gnf, luci, though without searching the archives i can't be too sure

[Redleg 41,431]

4 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Trade him now if he's grumbling,  Freo's 2016 1st Rnd pick,  plus they're 2017 1st Rnd pick  & Barlow or similar ;  for Hogan + our 2016 2nd Rnd pick.

I'll be OK with that.

You don't want Hibberd? Your trading away his pick. 

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

58 minutes ago, DominatrixTyson said:

Essendon fan on BF suggested including Darling in a 3way.
 

 

Essendon. First the drugs then the orgies.

*shakes head*

[praha 11,240]

12 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Disagree this needs to be sorted in the trade period Praha. 

If it's extended out and he doesn't re-sign, we're at a massive disadvantage next year. If WC and Freo are prepared to deal now and with teams like GC and Essendon looking to deal, it is the best time to get this sorted. We lose out massive if we don't sort this before the 2017 season, because if he stays and then doesn't sign, we stand to get much less than we could this year.

[John Crow Batty 8,879]

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We definately need an answer by trade week (which is Oct 20?)

there is no need to monitor clubs progress next year. That is utter BS 

Interesting that the journos did not mention any illness in the family. 

We are being fed crap from many sides at the moment...

Yay or Nay Jesse

will Goodwin fly to Perth?

I think i would. 

Family reasons is a good controversy deflecting  tactic.  Hard to question without appearing heartless. A favourite tactic of disgraced politicians.  And we had one the other day. 

[DV8 2,271]

14 minutes ago, Redleg said:

You don't want Hibberd? Your trading away his pick. 

Yes, but swings and roundabouts, we can get a 2nd Rnd pick back in for Hibberd via horse trading,  after we get the Hogan contract sorted.

[Flamingdees 227]

Club is much bigger than the individual. Agree with the trade now senario if he is hinting towards leaving. 

As for Hogan for pick 1, pick 29 and Hibberd unfortunately we may have to settle for something like that.

Still not ideal.

Pick 1 - Potential 150 game player  

Pick 29 - Need lots of luck  

Hibberd - 26 year old coming off 12 months out of the game  

At least we know what we've got with Hogan.  A 21 year old budding tall forward who could be in the top five players in the game in three or four years.

Hope to Christ he stays but do we really need a circus next year??

 

[deelete my account 1,194]

9 minutes ago, Flamingdees said:

Club is much bigger than the individual. Agree with the trade now senario if he is hinting towards leaving. 

As for Hogan for pick 1, pick 29 and Hibberd unfortunately we may have to settle for something like that.

Still not ideal.

Pick 1 - Potential 150 game player  

Pick 29 - Need lots of luck  

Hibberd - 26 year old coming off 12 months out of the game  

At least we know what we've got with Hogan.  A 21 year old budding tall forward who could be in the top five players in the game in three or four years.

Hope to Christ he stays but do we really need a circus next year??

 

 

12, 29 and Darling is a bargain for WCE, I think there would have to be something bringing 29 down inside 20

[praha 11,240]

2 minutes ago, Flamingdees said:

Club is much bigger than the individual. Agree with the trade now senario if he is hinting towards leaving. 

As for Hogan for pick 1, pick 29 and Hibberd unfortunately we may have to settle for something like that.

Still not ideal.

Pick 1 - Potential 150 game player  

Pick 29 - Need lots of luck  

Hibberd - 26 year old coming off 12 months out of the game  

At least we know what we've got with Hogan.  A 21 year old budding tall forward who could be in the top five players in the game in three or four years.

Hope to Christ he stays but do we really need a circus next year??

 

If the club takes that I'd be filthy.

I'd want Weller and Freo's first round pick, or Fyfe and their second pick. 

Hogan is hot commodity and in demand. They are BOTH desperate, especially Freo.

We are in a very good position to get more than just Hibberd and some picks.

[Little Goffy 14,639]

Can I just go on record saying I DO NOT WANT Darling?

 

[deelete my account 1,194]

5 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Can I just go on record saying I DO NOT WANT Darling?

 

Nah, Essendon want Darling. So the idea was to involve them in a potential trade.

We get Ess #1, Hibberd and WCE#29 (But I think we would want lower than 29) and we KEEP Pick 26

Ess get WCE#12 and Darling

WCE get Hogan

SOrry for the trade spam, i play too much premier manager and get off on this stuff

Edited September 17, 2016 by DominatrixTyson

[Demonsone 2,043]

Need to question the character of Hogan if he decides to leave .. Why would u give up the relationships with your players & coaches & a list showing signs of playing finals & success for an extended period of time hopefully.. Afl may as well rap up the trade process & get young players to nominate which state they want to play in & if they are not picked up by a side in their state.. Stiff cheddar! Too many of these players want it both ways .. It's an 18 team competition & should be grateful of having the opportunity to play .  In hogan case it's playing in the G in the heartland of footy! Understand if he's given his service like 7-8 yrs eg Dangerfield .. Give me a break will u! If he wasn't out club should command the trade on their terms or sorry your playing for Melb!

Edited September 17, 2016 by Hogan2014

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

Balls to all of this. He is ours for at least 2017. If he wants to go after that then let him walk into the draft and see how he likes Brisbane. I don't care if it costs us but the one thing I wouldn't do is facilitate a trade back home. Not coz I'm a cold hearted bastard (even though I am) but to send a message that if you want to go then go, but good luck enjoying life in the worst team we can find. Same applies to all required players

I'll take the hit. Messages to the players are better than draft pics

[stuie 7,374]

2 minutes ago, Uncle Fester said:

Balls to all of this. He is ours for at least 2017. If he wants to go after that then let him walk into the draft and see how he likes Brisbane. I don't care if it costs us but the one thing I wouldn't do is facilitate a trade back home. Not coz I'm a cold hearted bastard (even though I am) but to send a message that if you want to go then go, but good luck enjoying life in the worst team we can find. Same applies to all required players

I'll take the hit. Messages to the players are better than draft pics

And that will help us attract players in the future how exactly?

Silly post.

 

[Little Richard 6,265]

3 minutes ago, Uncle Fester said:

Balls to all of this. He is ours for at least 2017. If he wants to go after that then let him walk into the draft and see how he likes Brisbane. I don't care if it costs us but the one thing I wouldn't do is facilitate a trade back home. Not coz I'm a cold hearted bastard (even though I am) but to send a message that if you want to go then go, but good luck enjoying life in the worst team we can find. Same applies to all required players

I'll take the hit. Messages to the players are better than draft pics

Forget sending a message based on emotion, letting him go to the draft is an atrocious result for the club, which will always be the priority.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I've got no doubt Damian Barrett reads Demonland. His information is exactly what Chook in Perth wrote.

[Demonsone 2,043]

You cut of your nose despite your face .. But club needs to fight hard & gett just reward for his true value ... 

[MadAsHell 4,215]

1 hour ago, DominatrixTyson said:

Essendon fan on BF suggested including Darling in a 3 way so I thought maybe:

#12 and Darling to Essendon

#1 and Hibberd to Melbourne & WCE Pick 29

Hogan to WCE

 

Don't know why an Essendon fan would suggest that?

They get scre₩ed!

[binman 43,762]

48 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The only 'info source' we have is a GNF post last week that the outlook for Jesse's father was dire.  And I'm not sure he is that reliable a source. 

I'd be inclined to go with the journos and the press ie the decision to return to WA will not be made on family matters.

We have had a number of posters on DL confirming his Dad is very sick, Pennant St Dee being one and i've never sen anyone question his credibility (and nor would i). 

To be frank i'm amazed at the tone of some of the comments surrounding Hogan, particularly those that are clearly skeptical of his motives and those demanding he make a call. For Pete's sake give the kid a break 

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

5 minutes ago, stuie said:

And that will help us attract players in the future how exactly?

Silly post.

 

 

You'd know about [censored] posting. You are the king of it, SJW.

But for others there I'll state my position. I think he will stay. I think he will see we are building something nice. But if he wants to go he goes on our terms. Not his. No player is bigger than the club. Stay, go, but don't expect us to help out your dreams. Your dreams are here or if the aren't then we forget your name.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,510]

1 hour ago, DominatrixTyson said:

Essendon fan on BF suggested including Darling in a 3 way so I thought maybe:

#12 and Darling to Essendon

#1 and Hibberd to Melbourne & WCE Pick 29

Hogan to WCE

 

Still seems like the journos have nothing but are now scrambling as they don't wanna seem to be scooped on the story.  Prestia has been sorted; O'Meara sorted; Cloke sorted... gotta speculate about someone.

With that said, I'm not naive enough to suggest there's no story here, just that no one has the story, but they're still trying to print one.