11 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Assuming that all of the players above are fit, I'd be surprised if this wasn't our round 1 team.

Lumumba will be in the team if fit, and given that he played at Casey yesterday ...

14 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Lumumba will be in the team if fit, and given that he played at Casey yesterday ...

Possibly, and as much as I'd like to see Garland replaced, it won't happen, so who does get replaced?

During this NAB Cup, our backline has been our achilles heel, but I'm not sure that Lumumba addresses the problem. 

I don't mind Vince playing at HBF, and rotating on the Kick outs as well. Kicks like a mule, generally delivers to our advantage and can play tight when required...

11 hours ago, mo64 said:

Possibly, and as much as I'd like to see Garland replaced, it won't happen, so who does get replaced?

During this NAB Cup, our backline has been our achilles heel, but I'm not sure that Lumumba addresses the problem. 

Garland won't be replaced, he's not in the leadership group and consistently in the top 10 in the B&F for nothing, regardless of what Demonlanders think. All Garland needs is to play alongside Dunn (kicking) or Lumumba (run).

Lumumba's run sometimes gets him into trouble, but that real hell-for-leather attack off half-back is something that no-one else does.

1 minute ago, bing181 said:

Garland won't be replaced, he's not in the leadership group and consistently in the top 10 in the B&F for nothing, regardless of what Demonlanders think. All Garland needs is to play alongside Dunn (kicking) or Lumumba (run).

Lumumbas run sometimes gets him into trouble, but that real hell-for-leather attack off half-back is something that no-one else does.

The problem is that we've got too many in the backline that cough the ball up. Lumumba will just add to the list.

I've said it all preseason. Rotate Vince and Brayshaw off half back and through the middle. Both are cool heads under pressure with good disposal. 

 

Race on for spots at Dees as quartet nears return

Sad to say but I don't think Grimes has done himself any favours with his NAB form. Seems to lack intensity and urgency. He now is probably only a depth player. 

On 21 January 2016 at 8:25 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

I actually like your lineup CHF. Something about Vandenberg starting as an on baller has me genuinely excited. He is an absolute brute and can't wait to see him run through a couple of GWS kids.

 

Probably has a few GWS bunnies from his NEAFL days

58 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Sad to say but I don't think Grimes has done himself any favours with his NAB form. Seems to lack intensity and urgency. He now is probably only a depth player. 

He's definitely fringe given the players who are due to return from injury. 

FB: Garland  Dunn  Jetta

HB: Vince  McDonald  Salem

C: Bugg    Jones   M. Jones

HF: Vanders   Watts   Kennedy

FF: Kent  Hogan   Garlett

Foll: Gawn  Tyson  Viney

Int: Oliver Lumumba Frost Brayshaw

Unlucky: Harmes, Pedo (?susp).  Matt Jones, Lumumba and Frost maybe the luckiest 3. 

Out: Pedo, Wagner, O Mc, Harmes plus Grimes, Michie

In: Vanders, Lumumba, Dunn, Braysgaw

If pedo suspended, no way frost will be dropped. He must play for structure deespencer 

FB: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Bugg McDonald Salem

C: Harmes Viney Kennedy

HF: Watts Pedersen vandenBerg

FF: Garlett Hogan Kent

Foll: Gawn N. Jones Vince

Int: Oliver Tyson Frost M. Jones

Emer: Grimes Stretch Michie

 

Unavailable: Lumumba Petracca Brayshaw White JKH Trengove Dawes Spencer

 

 

 

 

44 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

FB: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Vince McDonald Salem

C: Bugg Viney Kennedy

HF: Watts Frost vandenBerg

FF: Garlett Hogan Kent

Foll: Gawn N. Jones Tyson

Int: Oliver Prince Brayshaw Harmes

Emer: Grimes Stretch Michie

Inj: M Jones Susp: Pedo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jetta   Dunn  Garland

Salem  T-Mac Vince

Bugg    Tyson   M Jones

Watts    Pederson  Vandenberg

Garlett   Hogan      Kent

Gawn    Jones    Viney

Frost  Kennedy Oliver Brayshaw

12 hours ago, lucifer said:

FB: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Salem  McDonald Bugg

C: Tyson   Viney  VB

HF: Watts Pedersen Kent

FF:  Frost  Hogan  Garlett

Foll: Gawn  Vince Jones

Int: Oliver Brayshaw Kennedy Harmes

Nice Lucifer.

This is my preferred 22 - looking forward to Petracca putting selection pressure on the forwards. 

M Jones unlucky as I thought he showed he has really improved.

The majority of that team love the contest and will not be intimidated. 

Unavailable - Petracca, Trengove, Dawes (Tracs and Trenners play Casey)

 

FB: Jetta - Dunn - Garland

HB: Lumumba - T.McDonald - Salem

C: Bugg - Vince - Brayshaw

HF: Kent - Pederson - Harmes

FF: Garlett - Hogan - Watts

FOLL - Gawn - N.Jones - Viney

INT: Frost - Kennedy - Vandenberg - Tyson

EMG : Oliver - M.Jones - Grimes

 

1 hour ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Jetta   Dunn  Garland

Salem  T-Mac Vince

Bugg    Tyson   M Jones

Watts    Pederson  Vandenberg

Garlett   Hogan      Kent

Gawn    Jones    Viney

Frost  Kennedy Oliver Brayshaw

Harmes unlucky, but someone has to miss out. Personally I think if Lumumba plays well at Casey next week he'll be picked, but there's no doubt he's going to have to play much better this year to hold a spot in the 22. 

Jetta    Dunn   Garland

Lumumba  McDonald  Salem

Vince  Tyson  Brayshaw

VDB  Pederson  Watts

Kent Hogan Garlett

Gawn, Jones, Viney

Int: Frost, Oliver, Bugg, Kennedy

Emerg: Harmes, M Jones, 

 

Nice that our younger players can get some continuity by developing together at Casey.  Looks a Handy sort of side too (though I think guys like Smith & King will play mainly Casey seconds). - Also not sure on the injury status of White & Newton.

 

Terlich  ???  Wagner

White O Mac Hunt

Grimes ANB Stretch

Petracca Weideman Mitchie

King Hulett JKH

King, Trengove, Matt Jones

Int Newton, Smith

INJ/Unavailable: Spencer, Dawes, Melksham

2 hours ago, grazman said:

Harmes unlucky, but someone has to miss out. Personally I think if Lumumba plays well at Casey next week he'll be picked, but there's no doubt he's going to have to play much better this year to hold a spot in the 22. 

Jetta    Dunn   Garland

Lumumba  McDonald  Salem

Vince  Tyson  Brayshaw

VDB  Pederson  Watts

Kent Hogan Garlett

Gawn, Jones, Viney

Int: Frost, Oliver, Bugg, Kennedy

Emerg: Harmes, M Jones,

 

There are definitely dilemma's aren't there.

On last years form Lumumba is nowhere near my best 22 but he might really benefit from the new game plan.  Interestingly for a mature body I just don't see him as the sort of competitor that fits with our philosophy.

I also wonder if you need both Frost and Pedersen now that Watts seems to be a genuine threat in the air.  Pedo might miss anyway.

And I agree that Harmes is competing with Kennedy and Kent but I think he plays.  All have staked good claims to a spot but Harmes brings what the other two don't which is a threat in the air. He's also a better kick than Kennedy.  If Lumumba misses Vince can move back allowing a spot for Harmes.  What will happen when Petracca and Trenners are fit (yes, I've decided to just assume that happens) I don't know.  With a fit list there will be some very disappointed players.  I'm still hoping that Billy Stretch pushes but he's not in line for a spot yet.  Perhaps like some other clubs he'll spend 2 or 3 years at Casey and then just come in a look the part.  What is clear is we've move past playing guys that "do a few nice things" to players who contribute at AFL level for the whole game. That will take me some time to get my head around.

Interesting times ahead.

On NAB form, if Pedersen plays does Frost play? Is he adding enough?

25 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

There are definitely dilemma's aren't there.

On last years form Lumumba is nowhere near my best 22 but he might really benefit from the new game plan.  Interestingly for a mature body I just don't see him as the sort of competitor that fits with our philosophy.

I also wonder if you need both Frost and Pedersen now that Watts seems to be a genuine threat in the air.  Pedo might miss anyway.

And I agree that Harmes is competing with Kennedy and Kent but I think he plays.  All have staked good claims to a spot but Harmes brings what the other two don't which is a threat in the air. He's also a better kick than Kennedy.  If Lumumba misses Vince can move back allowing a spot for Harmes.  What will happen when Petracca and Trenners are fit (yes, I've decided to just assume that happens) I don't know.  With a fit list there will be some very disappointed players.  I'm still hoping that Billy Stretch pushes but he's not in line for a spot yet.  Perhaps like some other clubs he'll spend 2 or 3 years at Casey and then just come in a look the part.  What is clear is we've move past playing guys that "do a few nice things" to players who contribute at AFL level for the whole game. That will take me some time to get my head around.

Interesting times ahead.

Demonlad5 posted a team that didn't include Oliver, but it's hard to argue with the logic.  

Oliver is in my team, but I can't remember it being more difficult to post a 22.

Currently, Oliver makes us a better team.

As a tall inside midfielder he complements the shorter players such as Jones and Viney so well around the ball.

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Demonlad5 posted a team that didn't include Oliver, but it's hard to argue with the logic.  

Oliver is in my team, but I can't remember it being more difficult to post a 22.

Nice dilemma to have as opposed to having to pick from a bunch of NQRs or underdeveloped juniors. 

Goodwin thought Oliver was a little sloppy in the first half, and certainly the entire side made a slow start (that's three from three- let's see if we can't fix that for the season proper).  The Saints were on top in the clearances early, we came back stronger in the second half - Oliver is the most exciting genuine inside mid I can remember for a long time.  It's not hard to see why people compare him with Brayshaw in terms of potential impact.  Both hard at it, uncompromising and excellent decision makers.  He Is the best handball exponent we've had since Alan Jarrot. (well OK, we might have had some others since the mid 80s)

47 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

On NAB form, if Pedersen plays does Frost play? Is he adding enough?

I was thinking the same. It's almost like the total output of Pedersen and Frost over the course of a game is equal to the output of one good KPF. Neither impose themselves over the whole game. But both have to play because one of them has to be a relief ruckman for Gawn.

 

RND - 1 team, based on fitness, form, availability?

 

FB: Garland  Dunn  Jetta

HB: Salem    TMc   Vince

  C: MJones  Oliver   Tyson  

HF: Kennedy Hogan Kent

FF: Pederson Watts Garlett

 

Foll's: Gawn  Jones  Viney

 

IntCh:  AVdb  Bugg  Harmes  Michie

Emerg:  Frost

 

* as Hogan is currently a bit out of touch I have him upfield away from FF,  so he can run thru the middle to find the footy & touch.

* so with this I'm starting Watts as a mobile FF,  forward of the square.

* Pedo in the pocket,  I don't want him to stray too high in an open & quick forwardline,  saving his legs,  & to switch with Gawn a couple of times per Qtr.

 

I have Brayshaw, Lamumba, Trengove, Patracca all as underdone, so will get fit at Casey.

7 minutes ago, mo64 said:

I was thinking the same. It's almost like the total output of Pedersen and Frost over the course of a game is equal to the output of one good KPF. Neither impose themselves over the whole game. But both have to play because one of them has to be a relief ruckman for Gawn.

Structure and flexibility.  Frost is insurance up forward, down back or in the ruck, he's also athletic enough not to lose any run by leaving him on the ground for extended periods.  He's not getting a lot of it at the moment, but I can see why he'd be picked.  A work in progress.There's talk that various sides might go with four talls at various stages to stretch sides.  Lumumba is just not good enough one on one to play tall.