Dustin Martin - total [censored]

[stuie 7,374]

1 hour ago, Rafiki said:

National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (2010)  -  Relevant Table

Partner Abuse (2010) - Ten Examples of ~200 Studies Showing Gender Symmetry in Assault

Homicides, Firearm Offences and Intimate Violence 2010/11

"Intimate Violence
According to the 2010/11 BCS, seven per cent of women and five per cent of men
experienced domestic abuse in the last year, equivalent to an estimated 1.2 million
female and 800,000 male victims.

In 2010/11, estimated levels of domestic abuse experienced in the last year were at
the lowest levels since 2004/05 when the self-completion module was first included in
the BCS. There has been no statistically significant change in the level of domestic
abuse since 2008/09

Around six per cent of women and four per cent of men experienced partner abuse in
the last year, equivalent to around 900,000 female and 600,000 male victims.

Non-physical abuse (i.e. emotional and financial abuse) was the most common type of
abuse experienced by both female (57%) and male (46%) partner abuse victims.

Female victims of partner abuse were more likely than males to suffer from nonphysical
abuse, threats and sexual assault, but apparent differences between the
sexes for abuse involving force and stalking were not statistically significant.

Around a quarter (27%) of partner abuse victims suffered a physical injury as a result
of the abuse. Among those who had experienced any physical injury or other effects
(such as emotional problems), around a quarter (28%) received some sort of medical
attention"

 

Is the government doing anything to help male victims of domestic abuse?

"New funding was announced in March 2015 for the National Awareness Campaign to Reduce Violence Against Women and their Children. This new campaign is to receive total funding of $30.0 million over three years."

That's fine, surely they have some kind of help on their government website for men.

Oh dear

Source: http://dcp.wa.gov.au/CrisisAndEmergency/Pages/Men%27s-Domestic-Violence-Helpline.aspx

And here's some more reputable information which isn't from 5-10 years ago:

"Around one in five Australian women and one in twenty Australian men have experienced violence at the hands of an intimate partner"

http://www.relationships.org.au/what-we-do/research/online-survey/january-2015-domestic-violence

 

And from your own website that you tried to quote from:
 

Females Majority of Family And Domestic Violence-Related2 Assault Victims (Experimental Statistics)

For victims of family and domestic violence-related2 assault4, there were:
    ▪    Four times as many female victims (4,534) as male victims (1,157) in South Australia;
    ▪    Four times as many female victims (3,482) as male victims (807) in the Northern Territory;
    ▪    Three times as many female victims (10,648) as male victims (3,860) in Western Australia;
    ▪    Three times as many female victims (465) as male victims (145) in Australian Capital Territory; and
    ▪    Twice as many female victims (19,488) as male victims (9,261) in New South Wales.
Females Majority of Family And Domestic Violence-Related2 Sexual Assault Victims (Experimental Statistics)

For victims of family and domestic violence –related2 sexual assault, there were:
    ▪    12 times as many female victims (230) as male victims (20) in South Australia;
    ▪    12 times as many female victims (81) as male victims (7) in the Northern Territory;
    ▪    Seven times as many female victims (1,147) as male victims (165) in Victoria;
    ▪    Seven times as many female victims (471) as male victims (70) in Western Australia;
    ▪    Six times as many female victims (692) as male victims (114) in New South Wales; and
    ▪    Three times as many female victims (29) as male victims (9) in Australian Capital Territory.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/by Subject/4510.0~2014~Main Features~Experimental Family and Domestic Violence Statistics~10000

 

"Females were typically the victims in intimate partner homicides (n=488; 75%)"

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/rip/21-40/rip38.html

 

Government and police official figures. But please, tell me more about how much worse it is for men than women....

 

[KingDingAling 3,758]

19 hours ago, stuie said:

Wow. You're just coming across as a woman hater now.

Actually the cycle of abuse theory has been empirically proven by Erin Pizzey - a woman. So you can call her a woman hater as much as you'd like  - but she actually founded battered women's shelters, and has over 30 years experience in the field of domestic violence.

[stuie 7,374]

Just now, KingDingAling said:

Actually the cycle of abuse theory has been empirically proven by Erin Pizzey - a woman. So you can call her a woman hater as much as you'd like  - but she actually founded battered women's shelters, and has over 30 years experience in the field of domestic violence.

I'm actually talking about your quote saying women are to blame for raising women bashers. Pathetic. Grow up and realize people need to take responsibility for their own actions.\

Also, Erin Pizzey has "proven" nothing. She has her own theories based on her individual experience, which does not reflect the majority experience evidenced by the police numbers I posted in my previous post. The fact that she's a woman and started a woman's shelter does not mean her individual experience is to be held as the sole truth above the thousands of others who have had the more common experience.

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Congrats to Stuie & TSFKA for smoking the peace pipe. I am also impressed at the amount of googling people are doing on the subject and posting the results, actually trying to have an informed discussion.

Legally is a grey area, if there is a relationship between the two parties the Police can, regardless of the victim's wishes, press a complaint. That is not the case here. It is up to the complainant to make a statement to Police for action to be taken. That or a witness to state that they were fearful for the safety of the victim in the circumstances. Everything else is a summary offence and unlikely to proceed.

BTW I would say it is a restaurant and expecting the staff or management to be able to cope (and who were probably scared stiff for a number of reasons) is a bit rich.

Dusty has to go, the chop stick threat and the punch next to the head are to any reasonable person designed to instil fear for one's safety. Preferably as others have said, let the court deal with the matter. Then smash him with suspensions, I'd rather be done for drugs than get cited for what he's done, his actions are shameful.

I also wonder what pressure is being brought to bear on the victim, I could imagine she might be fearful for her job, not much security in the TV industry and a producer (Top Gear excepted) is pretty vulnerable to a 'star's' (he's not a star, he's a dog, but you know what I mean) interest. 

 

 

[KingDingAling 3,758]

19 hours ago, stuie said:

I'm actually talking about your quote saying women are to blame for raising women bashers. Pathetic. Grow up and realize people need to take responsibility for their own actions.\

Also, Erin Pizzey has "proven" nothing. She has her own theories based on her individual experience, which does not reflect the majority experience evidenced by the police numbers I posted in my previous post. The fact that she's a woman and started a woman's shelter does not mean her individual experience is to be held as the sole truth above the thousands of others who have had the more common experience.

Who raises these men Stuie? They don't raise themselves. Women are overwhelmingly the majority of child abusers, and the statistics are drastically under reported. Its unfortunate that we live in a fatherless nation, and it is even more unfortunate that these men grow up and re-cycle the abuse that many of them went through as children. As for Erin Pizzey, she not only founded battered women's shelters, but she is actually a leading figure in the field of domestic violence. If I have a choice of listening to Stuie of Demonland or Erin Pizzey (expert in DV with over 30 years experience), I know who I am listening to.

[stuie 7,374]

2 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Who raises these men Stuie? They don't raise themselves. Women are overwhelmingly the majority of child abusers, and the statistics are drastically under reported. Its unfortunate that we live in a fatherless nation, and it is even more unfortunate that these men grow up and re-cycle the abuse that many of them went through as children. As for Erin Pizzey, she not only founded battered women's shelters, but she is actually a leading figure in the field of domestic violence. If I have a choice of listening to Stuie of Demonland or Erin Pizzey (expert in DV with over 30 years experience), I know who I am listening to.

Oh you just appointed someone who opposes feminism as the "leading figure in domestic violence"... How convenient for you.

So women being killed by men is all the woman's fault according to "KingDingAling"... And we wonder why it's such a problem in this country.

[stuie 7,374]

Here's some quotes from Erin Pizzey, to put the value of her opinion in perspective:

In an op-ed she wrote for The Daily Mail in 2011, Pizzey declared herself “horrified” that the British government would consider extending domestic violence protection to those subjected to “emotional bullying and ‘coercive control’” as well as actual physical abuse.

 

The woman herself:

"As far as I’m concerned, a sufficient amount of women have reached boardrooms and many of them publicly have said that they prefer a quality of life which includes family time, which for women in many ways is more important because we, in the long term, through our children and grandchildren. Men, as they climb up the steps to fame and fortune define themselves by how well they can take care of their wives and children. Different lifestyles, different goals, very few women want to spend the time and the total energy in making that high-achieving career lifestyle."

"I did manage to get exactly one paper published, decades after the fact, on the surveys I did of the first 100 women in my Refuge. Just one, in a tiny journal. … But the feminist hegemony has worked hard to keep work like this out of the public eye. They actually destroyed the hard disk of Professor Viano from Washington University when he tried to publish some of this work."

And the best one of the lot:

"Domineering, bullying husbands who shout at their wives but never lift a finger to hurt them would find themselves in court.
Let me tell you: this is not domestic violence. It is an absurd idea to define such acts in that way, and worse, it serves to trivialise genuine cases of domestic abuse."

 

Pizzey is widely considered a quack, not a reputable "leading figure in domestic violence". Not surprised you've aligned yourself with her views given your pretty obvious woman hating agenda.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

8 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

If it hasn't already been mentioned in this thread, this is the bloke many here have continued to lament that we didn't draft ahead of Trenners.  Even taking into account how their on field careers have played out, I think we're still ahead on that one.

depends if you value winning games or not

[KingDingAling 3,758]

19 hours ago, stuie said:

Oh you just appointed someone who opposes feminism as the "leading figure in domestic violence"... How convenient for you.

So women being killed by men is all the woman's fault according to "KingDingAling"... And we wonder why it's such a problem in this country.

Our problem in this country is that we have a legal system that not only favors women - but incentivizes them to keep the father away from his kids. This results in a breakdown of the family and ensures that a lot of children go without Fathers. Unfortunately a lot of these children get abused, but at the very least they grow up in unstable environments. Its little wonder that we have a domestic violence issue, I am surprised it isn't worse. When we have a nation that encourages one sided laws, and incentivizes women to keep their children away from their Fathers, then the end result is a lot of unstable adults. Stuie, instead of seeing this issue through a narrow lense, perhaps broaden your view a bit.

[Carlos Danger 380]

It's great to see the issue has grown as much as it has.

What Martin did was totally unacceptable and it really looked like he was going to get away with it with a slap on the wrist until the uproar began.

There has already been more than a few bad stories emerge publically about Dustin, it only makes you wonder how many more haven't made it that far.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Carlos Danger

[Hellish Inferno 992]

I'm backing stuie on this one. It's a major issue and attitudes need to change. Too often incidents like this are derailed by those who dilute the problem by claiming violence again men should also be considered and that so many cases go unreported etc. Well yes of course violence in general against all victims is a problem, but how many cases of violence against women do you think go unreported? Also need to think about physical and mental intimidation, which can have a significant and lasting effect as well.

[stuie 7,374]

3 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Our problem in this country is that we have a legal system that not only favors women - but incentivizes them to keep the father away from his kids. This results in a breakdown of the family and ensures that a lot of children go without Fathers. Unfortunately a lot of these children get abused, but at the very least they grow up in unstable environments. Its little wonder that we have a domestic violence issue, I am surprised it isn't worse. When we have a nation that encourages one sided laws, and incentivizes women to keep their children away from their Fathers, then the end result is a lot of unstable adults. Stuie, instead of seeing this issue through a narrow lense, perhaps broaden your view a bit.

I have a broad view and have personal experience in the area.

You have a quack who you're basing your info on who: In November 2014, Pizzey became owner/manager of the AVFM WhiteRibbon.org website,^[63] which has been criticized by the original White Ribbon Campaign as "a copycat campaign articulating ... archaic views and denials about the realities of gender-based violence."

Sounds pretty aligned to your archaic views in blaming women and trying to play the victim.

Our REAL problem is we have "men" like you who never take responsibility for their actions and want to blame women for the fact men are killing women at an alarming rate in this country. As a separated single parent I'd like to know what these "incentives" for women to keep their children away from their fathers are?

[Hellish Inferno 992]

Are all cases of violence against women the result of a custody battle over children where the father is not favoured? No. In fact I would say that it may be just one of many reasons of violence against women, but perhaps most of all because some men have a poor attitude towards women, have anger problems and lash out against those that are physically weaker. Although in saying that a violent person doesn't have to be physically stronger than the victim in order to attack, I would say it's mostly down to attitude and their nature

Edited December 9, 2015 by trenners_09
Mixed up my words

[CHF 2,743]

Unfortunately I half expect that the AFL and/or RFC to come out and praise Martin for promoting so much discussion and debate with regard to violence against women. it would be consistent with some of the other rubbish they have dished up in recent times. 

[rjay 24,944]

Just now, trenners_09 said:

Are all cases of violence against women the result of a custody battle over children where the father is not favoured? No. In fact I would say that it may be just one of many reasons of violence against women, but perhaps most of all because some men have a poor attitude towards women, have anger problems and lash out against those that are physically weaker. 

There is also a big issue with mental problems along with drug & alcohol issues that are being swept under the carpet by both sides of politics.

[stuie 7,374]

5 minutes ago, rjay said:

There is also a big issue with mental problems along with drug & alcohol issues that are being swept under the carpet by both sides of politics.

No one has said there isn't. There's many many other big issues too. You can focus on as many as them as you like, but clearly the crux of this thread is violence against women.

[DEE fence 5,019]

12 months and fine		6 (3%)
All of the Pre Season		85 (42.9%)
6 weeks of the season		61 (30.8%)
12 weeks of the season		14 (7.1%)
AFL sanction		23 (11.6%)
Sacked indefinite		9 (4.5%)

 

Current polling on Punt Road End (with a few complaints of why there is not a 'nothing' or 'fine' button). Pretty impressed that at ~45% favour him missing some season matches, they are hurting. Also I don't know what AFL sanction means, I presume it's some sort of PR exercise.

 

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,396]

1 hour ago, stuie said:

And here's some more reputable information which isn't from 5-10 years ago:

"Around one in five Australian women and one in twenty Australian men have experienced violence at the hands of an intimate partner"

http://www.relationships.org.au/what-we-do/research/online-survey/january-2015-domestic-violence

 

And from your own website that you tried to quote from:
 

Females Majority of Family And Domestic Violence-Related2 Assault Victims (Experimental Statistics)

For victims of family and domestic violence-related2 assault4, there were:
    ▪    Four times as many female victims (4,534) as male victims (1,157) in South Australia;
    ▪    Four times as many female victims (3,482) as male victims (807) in the Northern Territory;
    ▪    Three times as many female victims (10,648) as male victims (3,860) in Western Australia;
    ▪    Three times as many female victims (465) as male victims (145) in Australian Capital Territory; and
    ▪    Twice as many female victims (19,488) as male victims (9,261) in New South Wales.
Females Majority of Family And Domestic Violence-Related2 Sexual Assault Victims (Experimental Statistics)

For victims of family and domestic violence –related2 sexual assault, there were:
    ▪    12 times as many female victims (230) as male victims (20) in South Australia;
    ▪    12 times as many female victims (81) as male victims (7) in the Northern Territory;
    ▪    Seven times as many female victims (1,147) as male victims (165) in Victoria;
    ▪    Seven times as many female victims (471) as male victims (70) in Western Australia;
    ▪    Six times as many female victims (692) as male victims (114) in New South Wales; and
    ▪    Three times as many female victims (29) as male victims (9) in Australian Capital Territory.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/by Subject/4510.0~2014~Main Features~Experimental Family and Domestic Violence Statistics~10000

 

"Females were typically the victims in intimate partner homicides (n=488; 75%)"

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/rip/21-40/rip38.html

 

Government and police official figures. But please, tell me more about how much worse it is for men than women....

 

[DEE fence 5,019]

An interesting list as well from PRE (Bit sad how many Demons are on the list and it's not exhaustive, and context matters too). My view is that the victim in the matter will be the subject of a lot of pressure not to take the matter to the Police, even though that is the appropriate authority. I deeply dislike that the AFL take a statement from her before the Police have a chance. But regardless of previous action / inaction against footballers, I'm personally hoping violence against women garners some real opprobrium - glad that seems to be the majority view here.  

Luke Hodge - captain of the club gets caught drink driving (no suspension, $450 fine)
Michael Hurley - gets extremely intoxicated, tries to evade cab fare, kicks the cab driver in the groin and punches him after being approached for not paying the fare (NAB challenge & 3 weeks, no fine)
Taylor Adams - pleads guilty to affray and recklessly causing injury where one man ends up with a broken jaw (1 week, $3,347 fine)
Liam Jurrah - charged with a machete attack causing serious head injuries to a man (no suspension or fine - Melbourne said they would "stand by Jurrah")
Alan Didak - has a car ride with an accused murderer who starts firing shots out of his window, continues to drink with bikies at a club house after in Campbellfield (no suspension or fine)
Nathan Bock - assaulted girlfriend in public and caused property damage (1 week, $5,000 fine)
Daniel Kerr - charged twice with assault in 2007 (no suspension or fine)
Steve Johnson - is caught speeding almost 80km over the speed limit (no suspension or fine - Geelong officials dismiss it as a "brain spasm")
Jeff Farmer - pleaded guilty to assaulting his partner by hitting her several times in the head (no suspension, $2,000 fine)
Ben Cousins & Michael Gardner - questioned by police over telephone calls they allegedly received in Melbourne that were made following a brawl and shooting at a Perth nightclub. Police believed they had conversations with at least one of the two men charged with disposing of the gun after the brawl (no suspension or fine)
Collin Sylvia - allegedly assaulted his girlfriend and threatened to kill a passerby who intervened. It is believed he was intoxicated at the time (no suspension or fine - Melbourne say they're "disappointed Collin didn't advise us of the matter")
Simon Goodwin - assaulted a photographer before threatening to "f***ing kill" him after running amok at an Adelaide pub at 11am (no suspension or fine - Adelaide call it a "learning experience")
Brodie Holland - was charged with assaulting two women out the front of a Melbourne nightclub ($2,500 fine, no suspension - Collingwood "disappointed") 

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15 minutes ago, stuie said:

No one has said there isn't. There's many many other big issues too. You can focus on as many as them as you like, but clearly the crux of this thread is violence against women.

Now it is.

When I was younger than 10 my mother had a boyfriend who liked to smash our house up and threaten to kill my mother whilst he was drunk.

Unable to get to sleep one night(after many) I calmly got out of bed and walked into our broken kitchen.

I informed the gentleman concerned to leave the house or else I would have a knife implanted in his heart.

I have seen similar men(in my neighbourhood) around even now and called the police on them all to no avail.

i also realise that women can be completely Radio Rental.

there is no need for you to become the flagbearer of the suffragettes Stuie.

We get your deep concern with the issue.

We are all grown up enough to admit women are also capable of being angry,irrational,possessive,demanding,and at times violent as well.

The thread was actually about a 7 News producer knowingly approaching a lunatic to create a story.Which she did.

We didn't know that you would see it as an opportunity to take up a thread but I salute you for sticking up for women,despite your personal circumstances.

Some men get bitter during such times and put the blame for the failure of the relationship on the other party. 

That's the last time I share anything personal with you.

Now stop arguing statistics or I will give you a Chinese burn and a wedgy if  I chance to meet you ,and justify your claims of being a victim of bullying.

 

[Biffen 12,943]

2 hours ago, monoccular said:

 

 

 

I suspect that the police have be told to stay out of it...after all ...."no injury" ...  just a bit of drunken / drugged play.....etc etc etc

 

stuie's picture could be any or all of Gil,  the Victorian Police, or our Premier and state government.

 

There is a lot of hypocritical hand wringing and uttering of platitudes on the issue of general violence in our society, violence against anyone, men, women, children.  

 

When push comes to shove our "authorities" and our judiciary behave in a pretty impotent manner, but continue to try to pretend that they care.

 

The introduction of cage fighting by Dan surely must send the wrong message to those in our society who have a violent streak - I saw some clips of the event at Doglands, and the blood lust in the crowd was really plain scary.

On cage fighting-for me it is too much even to watch the men beat each other  on the ground,

Equality means we get to watch female hicks do it for millions also.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Biffen

[Phadraig 760]

11 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

But please, tell me more about how much worse it is for men than women

I never said it was worse for men than women Stuie, you seem to have a problem with putting words into peoples mouths. Do I think that men have it worse than women? Obviously not, but is your quoted 1 in 20 men being assaulted at home not a problem? After seeing the effects of woman on man violence in my personal life I find it quite disgusting there is nothing out there to help men. 

[KingDingAling 3,758]

19 hours ago, Ingeniokinetikey said:

An interesting list as well from PRE (Bit sad how many Demons are on the list and it's not exhaustive, and context matters too). My view is that the victim in the matter will be the subject of a lot of pressure not to take the matter to the Police, even though that is the appropriate authority. I deeply dislike that the AFL take a statement from her before the Police have a chance. But regardless of previous action / inaction against footballers, I'm personally hoping violence against women garners some real opprobrium - glad that seems to be the majority view here.  

Luke Hodge - captain of the club gets caught drink driving (no suspension, $450 fine)
Michael Hurley - gets extremely intoxicated, tries to evade cab fare, kicks the cab driver in the groin and punches him after being approached for not paying the fare (NAB challenge & 3 weeks, no fine)
Taylor Adams - pleads guilty to affray and recklessly causing injury where one man ends up with a broken jaw (1 week, $3,347 fine)
Liam Jurrah - charged with a machete attack causing serious head injuries to a man (no suspension or fine - Melbourne said they would "stand by Jurrah")
Alan Didak - has a car ride with an accused murderer who starts firing shots out of his window, continues to drink with bikies at a club house after in Campbellfield (no suspension or fine)
Nathan Bock - assaulted girlfriend in public and caused property damage (1 week, $5,000 fine)
Daniel Kerr - charged twice with assault in 2007 (no suspension or fine)
Steve Johnson - is caught speeding almost 80km over the speed limit (no suspension or fine - Geelong officials dismiss it as a "brain spasm")
Jeff Farmer - pleaded guilty to assaulting his partner by hitting her several times in the head (no suspension, $2,000 fine)
Ben Cousins & Michael Gardner - questioned by police over telephone calls they allegedly received in Melbourne that were made following a brawl and shooting at a Perth nightclub. Police believed they had conversations with at least one of the two men charged with disposing of the gun after the brawl (no suspension or fine)
Collin Sylvia - allegedly assaulted his girlfriend and threatened to kill a passerby who intervened. It is believed he was intoxicated at the time (no suspension or fine - Melbourne say they're "disappointed Collin didn't advise us of the matter")
Simon Goodwin - assaulted a photographer before threatening to "f***ing kill" him after running amok at an Adelaide pub at 11am (no suspension or fine - Adelaide call it a "learning experience")
Brodie Holland - was charged with assaulting two women out the front of a Melbourne nightclub ($2,500 fine, no suspension - Collingwood "disappointed") 

Add Reece Conca to that, I thought Conca should've done time. He copped 1 or 2 match suspension.

[Lucifers Hero 39,916]

20 minutes ago, Ingeniokinetikey said:

12 months and fine		6 (3%)
All of the Pre Season		85 (42.9%)
6 weeks of the season		61 (30.8%)
12 weeks of the season		14 (7.1%)
AFL sanction		23 (11.6%)
Sacked indefinite		9 (4.5%)

 

Current polling on Punt Road End (with a few complaints of why there is not a 'nothing' or 'fine' button). Pretty impressed that at ~45% favour him missing some season matches, they are hurting. Also I don't know what AFL sanction means, I presume it's some sort of PR exercise.

 

To support what you have presented - Fox footy website survey also strong on suspensions:

Should Richmond suspend Dustin Martin?

Yes  73.39%  (10,416 votes) No  22.24%  (3,157 votes)  Not sure  4.36%  (619 votes) 

 

Total Votes: 14,192

 

Over 14,000 people have taken the time to vote!  That is a lot for an online survey!. 

I don't know the typical reader of 'fox footy' but I suspect most are men who are husbands, fathers, brothers, sons who have been affected in some way by domestic violence (usually against women). 

 

I don't have a view on sanctions but as someone said in an earlier post Andy D would have jumped all over this on day 1 and shouted his condemnation from the rooftops, irrespective of what sanctions, if any are later imposed.

The AFL needs to wake up to itself and practice what it preaches.

 

 

[Carlos Danger 380]

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Good to see the AFL still silent on this issue..

Alot didn't like Andy Demetriou but at least he was always a voice on the issue and tried to get on the full front of things..

Dill is an absolute marshmallow.

Softer than a marshmallow.