it's actually 2 in a weak + 1 in a strong

vs 1 in a weak + 2 in a strong

but ours are of a higher value, so it's about even

nice try though

creative attempt at shirting on everything

It's also 3 and 10 for 6 and (1-18). Obviously if we finish last next year and miss pick 1 it'll be a bit balls, but our reasonable expectation is to finish mid table, so pick 10 is about equivalent to next year's first rounder. The player will be a year further in to his development though.

The upgrade from 6 to 3 appears to be significant in this years draft. For that I'm happy to risk the downside on next years as yet undefined first round pick. It's all about getting us better sooner; this deal does that.

Clearly the FD has its eye on a player in particular and are taking no chances so have snared Pick 3. Who that player will be remains to be seen.

3-8 is pretty gloomy. Our first rounder next year should be 5-9, so for argument's sake let's say pick 7. Trading 6&7 for 3&10 isn't bad. Downgrading 29 in a shallow draft also isn't much of a sacrifice to make.

It's a bold move and I like it.

The rumour is Curnow or Weidemann Both tall forwards at Three.

Curnow also appears a competitor.. gee whiz, who to choose?

It's also 3 and 10 for 6 and (1-18). Obviously if we finish last next year and miss pick 1 it'll be a bit balls, but our reasonable expectation is to finish mid table, so pick 10 is about equivalent to next year's first rounder. The player will be a year further in to his development though.

The upgrade from 6 to 3 appears to be significant in this years draft. For that I'm happy to risk the downside on next years as yet undefined first round pick. It's all about getting us better sooner; this deal does that.

If we finish below Carlton next year Iwill turn into a Tigers supporter and micro wave my membership then posting it back to PJ.

It's also 3 and 10 for 6 and (1-18). Obviously if we finish last next year and miss pick 1 it'll be a bit balls, but our reasonable expectation is to finish mid table, so pick 10 is about equivalent to next year's first rounder. The player will be a year further in to his development though.

The upgrade from 6 to 3 appears to be significant in this years draft. For that I'm happy to risk the downside on next years as yet undefined first round pick. It's all about getting us better sooner; this deal does that.

Let's say we finish 9th or 10th and end up with pick 10 next year. That means we just got a free upgrade from 6 to 3, which appears to be because we have our eye on someone we know would be gone at 6. Even if we have pick 6 again, it is still better to go from 6->3 then it is to go from 10->6. Shrewd move.

If we finish below Carlton next year Iwill turn into a Tigers supporter and micro wave my membership then posting it back to PJ.

We know.

You get elite key forwards with early picks. I reckon we'll go with Curnow or Weidemann with pick 3. Not sure if Parish has that much of point of difference to warrant the trade.

Curnow also appears a competitor.. gee whiz, who to choose?

Not your problem, so don't worry about it. With Taylor now in charge as opposed to that imposter Pretendergast, i will put my faith in whoever we pick at 3 because we have clearly had that kid ear-marked.

Pick 10 is the more interesting one.

Anyone still think we got screwed on Howe? We plugged pick 29 directly in to a trade we were going to use Howe in. That was his market value.

Anyone also still care that we used 25 instead of 29 for Melksham?

Anyone still reckon they'd do a better job than the amateurs at the club at the moment?

I'm feeling so smug right now. Hehe.

We essentially swapped Howe for Kennedy:.. Way unders

Toumpas was traded to port for pick 29 - unders imo

Lose 6, 29 and a 2016 round 1 pick... Gain 3, 10 and 44 - square.::

So overall I don't think we have come out in front.

It's also 3 and 10 for 6 and (1-18). Obviously if we finish last next year and miss pick 1 it'll be a bit balls, but our reasonable expectation is to finish mid table, so pick 10 is about equivalent to next year's first rounder. The player will be a year further in to his development though.

The upgrade from 6 to 3 appears to be significant in this years draft. For that I'm happy to risk the downside on next years as yet undefined first round pick. It's all about getting us better sooner; this deal does that.

Nash most are missing what we have offered for next year. A 1st round pick That is not necessarily our original 1st round pick. If we finished last we could swap pick 1 for pick 4 & pick 18 with 18 being used for GC

The Weideman at pick 3 talk is interesting. Though Curnow was clearly the better prospect? Why not take Parish at pick 3 and then perhaps Weideman will slide to pick 10?

Interesting times ahead

You get elite key forwards with early picks. I reckon we'll go with Curnow or Weidemann with pick 3. Not sure if Parish has that much of point of difference to warrant the trade.

We need a tall forward desperately.

We dropped Fitzy and the alternatives are Dawes ( groan ) Pederson ( 1 year deal ) or Frost ( best down back IMO )

Would be nice to see some extended highlights of Curnow but geeze he looks a good size. Could either buddy up with Hoges or given bursts through the middle. Lovely kicking action to boot.

Nash most are missing what we have offered for next year. A 1st round pick That is not necessarily our original 1st round pick. If we finished last we could swap pick 1 for pick 4 & pick 18 with 18 being used for GC

Are you sure we can do this?

Seems to go against the spirit of the agreement

We essentially swapped Howe for Kennedy:.. Way unders

Toumpas was traded to port for pick 29 - unders imo

Lose 6, 29 and a 2016 round 1 pick... Gain 3, 10 and 44 - square.::

So overall I don't think we have come out in front.

I beg to disagree Howe's highlight reel is a series of specie marks and Toumpas was an average VFL player.

We got what they are worth at this point.

Boiled lollies not chocolates.

What's Paul Little so happy about?

and i thought that was mr muirdock,,,,, he is in blue after all. probably pontificating P-3, then world is rupe,,,, or lacky

Nash most are missing what we have offered for next year. A 1st round pick That is not necessarily our original 1st round pick. If we finished last we could swap pick 1 for pick 4 & pick 18 with 18 being used for GC

i think you will find it is our afl designated first round pick (i.e. at pre trade time). but nice try.

gcs17 will get the opportunity to trade it, not us

Love this quote:

'Parish tested at the combine but didn't stand out in any of the events. That shouldn't be a surprise or a worry. He's a natural footballer and one who steps up a level when the ball is there to get and offers plenty of dash.'

In case anyone missed it Roos, PJ and Mahoney have been crystal clear who they want at the club - competitors. Parish sounds like one. The Melk and Kennedy both appear to be competitors. Add these pick ups to recent pick ups like Petracca, Brayshaw, Viney and Vandenburg and we have a core of hard at it fierce players.

I love that the club has a clear, publicly stated plan for building their list and they have gone about getting the type of players who fit that plan.

I watched the GWS replay for the first time last night (withdrawal pains) and what stood out is how fierce the players were. Salem taking down Cameron and competing with much bigger players, his niggle and refusal to back down, the attack on the ball by Harmes (and his niggle with McCartney), Vineys manic tackling, Michies attack on the ball, Gawndogs energy and Hogans ferocity both in the air but also on the ground. Terrific to watch and exactly what Roos wants.

I have no doubt Watts was dropped for that game to send him a clear message that you get with the program or see ya round. He said as much a couple of weeks later when making a public statement that he was super keen to stay with the dees but knew he needed to get more competitive.

Players who we want (ie competitors) will want to come to our club.

Bring on 2016.

Oh and well done Josh.

I have one other highlight of Salem that I cant get out of my head, it was against Sydney and was just a loose ball win over Buddy, Salem surprised Buddy, beat him at a ball in the air (not overhead but not on the ground), duck and weaved and left Buddy behind looking very second rate. Was only something small but was full of class and composure which I am not used to seeing in our team. Still makes me smile!

Curnow looks big, but seems a bit awkward?

lots of speculation that we will definitely bid #3 on both mills and hopper, forcing swans and gws to use their points, as those two boys are rated higher than any of the actually available players.

so effectively it becomes pick 5.

Would be nice to see some extended highlights of Curnow but geeze he looks a good size. Could either buddy up with Hoges or given bursts through the middle. Lovely kicking action to boot.

If we were able to snare both Curnow and Weideman come draft time, i'd be over the moon (moreso than if it were one of those 2 and Parish).

I'm sorry, but early draft picks in isolation mean nothing. Draft picks equates to draft recruitment. Our tanking years were designed to get early draft picks. It ended up being a massive fail.

Yeap agree, that was just such a shocking period I would hope that PJ has put in place the key people needed to make sure that doesn't;t happen again. Roos, Goody, Macca etc to develop these guys to where we need them to be.

While progressing on field to then be able to land some free agent gems over the next few years to push us to a solid finals team.

Nash most are missing what we have offered for next year. A 1st round pick That is not necessarily our original 1st round pick. If we finished last we could swap pick 1 for pick 4 & pick 18 with 18 being used for GC

Ummmmmm...that is clearly incorrect

The rumour is Curnow or Weidemann Both tall forwards at Three.

Not too sure why we were so keen of pick 3?

Seems like Curnow and Weid would have been available at pick 6

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-18/phantom-form-guide-update

We essentially swapped Howe for Kennedy:.. Way unders

Toumpas was traded to port for pick 29 - unders imo

Lose 6, 29 and a 2016 round 1 pick... Gain 3, 10 and 44 - square.::

So overall I don't think we have come out in front.

The trade for mine was more along the lines of:

Howe for 29 - fair trade

Toump for Kennedy and pick 50 - probably did well there.