The Paleo diet thread

[ijbfossil 77]

Are the MFC still using the Paleo diet.

I have a scientist friend who says it is way outdated prehistoric quackery and it sounds like it to me.

Real men like Jesse Hogan, Jonesy, Viney etc. surely wouldn't want this.

Look at what Pete Siddle's diet did to him - took at least 5kms off his pace.

The article in The Age - link below - supports it is quackery:

http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/pete-evans-given-award-which-recognises-quackery-20151017-gkbq4i.html

Are MFC still using Paleo and, if so, surely we should urge them to cease the quackery.

[bing181 9,446]

  On 18/10/2015 at 06:05, ijbfossil said:

The article in The Age - link below - supports it is quackery:

No it doesn't.

[Earl Hood 6,163]

I read the article but to be fair Evans is just saying veggies, protein, some fats and zero grains, carbs etc and of course no to all the modern fast foods. Can't be that bad for you, especially when you are young and in full training.

[dazzledavey36 56,141]

  On 18/10/2015 at 06:05, ijbfossil said:

Are the MFC still using the Paleo diet.

I have a scientist friend who says it is way outdated prehistoric quackery and it sounds like it to me.

Real men like Jesse Hogan, Jonesy, Viney etc. surely wouldn't want this.

Look at what Pete Siddle's diet did to him - took at least 5kms off his pace.

The article in The Age - link below - supports it is quackery:

http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/pete-evans-given-award-which-recognises-quackery-20151017-gkbq4i.html

Are MFC still using Paleo and, if so, surely we should urge them to cease the quackery.

Real men wouldn't want this?

What an offensive and pathetic mentality. I regardless what type of man you are it shouldn't stop you in experimenting in any diet if it makes you a better footballer.

Its also no wonder men struggle to open up about mental illness because of the toxic 'blokey' culture that comes from people like yourself who are still trying to live in the 80s.

[weekend at bernie's 5]

I vaguely remember an inverview with Petracca late last year being asked about the paleo diet. He said it was more of a pre season thing with them eating more carbs during the season.

[bing181 9,446]

All a press beat-up in any case:

"Melbourne Football Club Doctor, Zeeshan Arain was able to set the record straight regarding the recent media attention speculating the entire playing group had adopted a Paleo diet. It seems players were presented with the option of transitioning to a Paleo diet, but the focus was to get players thinking about nutrition as a component of performance and to encourage the consumption of wholefoods. More accurately, the exclusion of processed foods would result in a shift towards a lower carbohydrate higher fat diet with players still consuming ample carbohydrate around game day."

[bing181 9,446]

  On 18/10/2015 at 10:12, dazzledavey36 said:

... people like yourself who are still trying to live in the 80s.

Fifties.

[Yossarian 1,820]

Real men eat pies and drink beer.

[Little Goffy 14,853]

Well, I guess the paleo diet is certainly an improvement on the David Boon diet.

It was always made pretty clear that players were not going onto any 'strict' version of the diet.

The basics of it are hardly revolutionary - eat foods rich in complex nutrients, avoid bulk-produced/refined/depleted foods.

Once you modify it to include more carbohydrates (as the players were advised), it is barely distinguishable from 'eat good quality food'.

The Paleo diet is a fad presentation of mostly basic nutrition with a few added bits of 'dramatic' change just to feed into some people's need to manufacture a sense of rigid control and 'achievement'.

In contrast, the 'bonus' things that have also been promoted by the paleo chef guy are mostly total cr4p and quackery, some even being properly harmful. It's a lot like Oprah, really. Mostly just banalities dressed up as if they are special, but pretty troubling around the edges.

The other question of course is, which paleo diet to eat? Are tomatoes, potatoes and maize out? Carrots took a while to get away from Afghanistan. Should we be eating guinea pigs, bonobos or just dogs? Is it avocado in and oranges out, or the other way around.

Y'know, it's almost as if the human capacity for omnivore diets is a defining feature of our success as a species. Possibly there was also some kind of thing we learnt to do that completely changed our relationship with food and set us on an unprecedented developmental path...

[Ethan Tremblay 31,329]

  On 18/10/2015 at 11:19, Jesus Hoganshaw said:

Real men eat pies and drink beer.

I consider myself a real man, I love macarons.

Apart from the sugar syrup they're pretty much paleo.

[ijbfossil 77]

Thanks to those who have made sensible comments - yep - maybe not as "bad" as I thought.

Thanks to the others of you who have given me my laugh for the day.

All I want is to see is the Dees hated for being so good as they were in the 50s - no snow jokes then - 1939 to 1964 - ten flags in twenty-six years - I'd take that.

[jezhug 54]

Pretty sure they only adopted the diet during the pre-season but it wasn't the strict "Pete Evans" style paleo diet.

It was mainly to get the players eating more protein and less carbs.

I gave the diet a go at the start of the year and managed to drop 20KGs, just by eliminating breads, rice and pasta.

Most of the players came back pretty lean at the start of the year and David Misson is a big supporter of the diet, so I think they may adopt it again in the off season.

[Yossarian 1,820]

  On 18/10/2015 at 22:02, Ethan Tremblay said:

I consider myself a real man, I love macarons.

Apart from the sugar syrup they're pretty much paleo.

Any food where you can take out five letters and it spells man is ok with me.

[Yossarian 1,820]

By the way, it's a false assumption that paleo means low carbs. You're basically just saying cut away breads, pastas and whatever grain foods you wanted to have with your meat and three veg. Steak, sweet potatoes and a side salad is paleo and is about a 40/20/40 ratio of protein/fat/carbs, based on standard portions.

There's plenty of carb sources out there that aren't grains and it would be easy to adjust the players' diets to whatever protein, fat and carb ratio they wanted.

I imagine one of the aims of the diet is for the anti-inflammatory benefit to assist in injury recovery. Sounded like it was totally optional anyway.

[jezhug 54]

Yeah, there is a bit more to the diet. It's pretty much based on the caveman diet. Hunter/Gatherer foods e.g Meat, Nuts, Fruit, Vegetables etc. Avoiding dairy, grains etc.

Carbs are still in the foods you eat but they are not complex carbohydrates which take the body longer to break down.

I don't think it was optional. Sounds like it was enforced while they were on the pre-season camp in Darwin. I remember Max Gawn wrote something on Twitter at the time that he was struggling with the diet until he found a shop that sold paleo energy bars

[monoccular 17,713]

  On 18/10/2015 at 11:17, bing181 said:

All a press beat-up in any case:

"Melbourne Football Club Doctor, Zeeshan Arain was able to set the record straight regarding the recent media attention speculating the entire playing group had adopted a Paleo diet. It seems players were presented with the option of transitioning to a Paleo diet, but the focus was to get players thinking about nutrition as a component of performance and to encourage the consumption of wholefoods. More accurately, the exclusion of processed foods would result in a shift towards a lower carbohydrate higher fat diet with players still consuming ample carbohydrate around game day."

That sounds far more balanced.

Can we safely say that the paleo diet will be gone Missen in 2016?

[Middymalt 244]

What's happening with 4 to 6 is the overrated PE Teacher still on the list for 2016?

[Biffen 12,949]

  On 18/10/2015 at 22:02, Ethan Tremblay said:

I consider myself a real man, I love macarons.

Apart from the sugar syrup they're pretty much paleo.

I'm more of a quiche man.

We should organise dinner after Bronies.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

  On 20/10/2015 at 06:52, Biffen said:

I'm more of a quiche man.

We should organise dinner after Bronies.

I'll knock up a floral centerpiece for the table.

[Guest]

  On 20/10/2015 at 07:38, Bitter but optimistic said:

I'll knock up a floral centerpiece for the table.

I thought you'd be more a red wine and fish and chips man Bitter.