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Sort of reminds me of a smaller Brian Lake. (Looks)

Even if Kennedy turns out to be the next Ablett, on what he's shown so far we come out the clear losers in this deal.

No-one's a winner or loser here until we get a year or two down the track.

Seriously. There were plenty here howling down the Vince move, or Cross, or Garlett.

Even if Kennedy turns out to be the next Ablett, on what he's shown so far we come out the clear losers in this deal. Roos can complain about the air of negativity around the club all he wants, but how else can we react to [censored] like this?

We have lost 2 starting 22 players and in exchange received a fringe player and a random pick at 29.

Not too sure how we improved the list

No-one's a winner or loser here until we get a year or two down the track.

Seriously. There were plenty here howling down the Vince move, or Cross, or Garlett.

We picked up garlett and cross for nothing.

No one was upset with that

We have lost 2 starting 22 players and in exchange received a fringe player and a random pick at 29.

Not too sure how we improved the list

Toumpas was never a starting 22 player. Should have been. But that was the problem.

Even if Kennedy turns out to be the next Ablett, on what he's shown so far we come out the clear losers in this deal. Roos can complain about the air of negativity around the club all he wants, but how else can we react to shit like this?

If Kennedy turns out to be the next Ablett, be it Gary Snr or Jnr, I reckon we win.

Who was the 2nd ?

Who actually sits on a computer to read demoland? I use a iPhone with a small screen and predictive text.

I didn't know these forums were also English classes.

Toumpas was never a starting 22 player. Should have been. But that was the problem.

We gave the guy 2.5 seasons. Matt jones is getting a bloody game and still has a contract.

Jimmy never got a real chance. We could have traded him for #29 in the next 5 drafts.

JKH is way above Kennedy is in terms of decision making and disposal. I watched a couple of games with Kennedy playing and yes, quick(ish), goes hard and very competative but seems rushed, lacks vision and coughs the ball up a lot with vague nothing kicks. Hope he really comes on and proves me wrong !

If Kennedy is getting a game in 2016 then we are in real trouble.

I don't know why, but in that highlight package he reminds me of Tom Scully.

We gave the guy 2.5 seasons. Matt jones is getting a bloody game and still has a contract.

Jimmy never got a real chance. We could have traded him for #29 in the next 5 drafts.

Jimmy was given many chances. He never took them

He was a bust.

Jimmy never got a real chance. We could have traded him for #29 in the next 5 drafts.

That's the spirit. And Jack Watts will win the Brownlow.

FFS, Toumpas had the same chance as Viney, and after 3 years, couldn't even get a game when we were crying out for players due to our injury list. Even first year rookies who started the season in the VFL development league were being picked in front of him.

We've had a really good development setup in place for the last couple of years at least, and the only player it seem not to have benefited is JT.

We picked up garlett and cross for nothing.

No one was upset with that

Revisionist. Even for nothing, plenty were. Cross was past it, and Garlett couldn't even get a game at Carlton.

really ? So what shot did Kennedy fire ?

Recall three goals and an assist against us one Queens Birthday.

If you add up his non sub affected games, he's probably had more solid efforts amongst them than Jimmy did.

We gave the guy 2.5 seasons. Matt jones is getting a bloody game and still has a contract.

Jimmy never got a real chance. We could have traded him for #29 in the next 5 drafts.

At least Matt jones performed in the VFL. The toump didn't even fire there, cut our losses we drafted a dud with a early pick. Time for us to move on now

why don't people look past the trade and just simply look at the highlights of Ben Kennedy and keep this in mind when doing so ......................player attributes !

We traded out two players that just don't/won't/can't have a genuine dip for long enough, one cant tackle , one wont chase to put on a tackle, both don't get in and under and win their own ball. Both don't really want to be here. What good are they too us really?

Yes I wanted more out of the trade in return. But did it happen, no, lets move on.

Yes BK might have been on the cusp at the filth , been solid in the reserves and not given much of a go by Bucks and therefore we instinctively think he is not starting 22 quality, but if he brings those qualities and willingness to the MFC shown in the footage, then FFS give him a chance to have a dip for the club we all love. (as with any other recruits we get)

If Toumpas had dominated at VFL level, but struggled at AFL level, I'd be uncomfortable with letting him go. But from what I saw of him at VFL level, he didn't have the physical or football attributes to become a good AFL player. Kennedy on the other hand, dominates at VFL, and shown a bit at AFL level without getting consistent game time.

When you watch the Toumpas' highlights on the Port website, the common factor is that Toumpas has time and space. Rarely do you see him do anything outstanding in a contested situation. Once again, at least Kennedy shows something talent in contested situations.

If Kennedy is getting a game in 2016 then we are in real trouble.

I don't know about that. Kennedy can play. Undersell him at your own peril, he'll have a good 2016.

The most positive I can be about our trade period to date is that it will be a bonanza for the Scorps. A bit similar to the coup orchestrated by Neeld of bringing Byrnes, Gillies, Pedersen and Rodan to the club in one glorious trade period not so long ago.

We have lost 2 starting 22 players and in exchange received a fringe player and a random pick at 29.

Not too sure how we improved the list

Toumpas was about player number 34 and Howe was pushing himself out of the 22.

Melksham has removed him from the backline, and forward - Howe is a liability because he plays from behind and doesn't work defensively.

We haven't improved the list much, but we have improved it.

If Kennedy is getting a game in 2016 then we are in real trouble.

What if Toumpas was playing for us in 2016?

What is the difference? Both from the same draft... both haven't done much... is it because one was taken at ND4 and the other at ND19?

Coz you know that means nothing, right?

Kennedy will bring double the effort and determination than what Howe & Toumpas brought combined. I'd rather bring in players who set the bar high in terms of training, work ethic and 1%'s than blokes who sit on our list and provide nothing.

What if Toumpas was playing for us in 2016?

What is the difference? Both from the same draft... both haven't done much... is it because one was taken at ND4 and the other at ND19?

Coz you know that means nothing, right?

You're not seriously trying to tell us Fyfe is better than Scully, are you?

Uh... Pick 1 mean anything to you? Clearly Sculldawg is better than a spud picked at 20.

That's why he's the 6 million dollar man.

Toumpas was about player number 34 and Howe was pushing himself out of the 22.

Melksham has removed him from the backline, and forward - Howe is a liability because he plays from behind and doesn't work defensively.

We haven't improved the list much, but we have improved it.

Give me a spell. Over his career, Howe has never been close to getting dropped. Under Roos, he's been shuffled from one end of the ground to the other. Roos' mantra has been all about defence, and Howe has been played there to bolster it. Now Roos talks about becoming more attack minded, and we've lost a player that can make an impact up forward.

And what are you basing Melksham's instant success on? Lumumba had a far more impressive CV, and he hardly set the world on fire.