Nothing would come of it.

Not guilty. Fined merely painting the league in a negative light (as they say).

Nothing would come of it.

Not guilty. Fined merely painting the league in a negative light (as they say).

Freo and North are painting the league in a negative light, where is their 500k fine?

Let it go Red. Nobody cares anymore other than a few Demon supporters I reckon.

I know BB. It just sh-ts me that our club is the only one mentioned when tanking is brought up. A decent bloke died with a stain on his character and his family live with it and another bloke was removed from the AFL at the whim of Demetriou, for comments made in a PRIVATE not PUBLIC club meeting.

Many other clubs who did the same as us and had Officials admitting it publicly were not touched.

Now North tamper with the finals and ladder positions and do this under AFL sanction and clearly against the AFL rules,but it is ok for them.

It f-ing stinks.

Freo and North are painting the league in a negative light, where is their 500k fine?

Why are you asking me?

Absolutley spot on Sue.

And ya know what ..... I'm sure Demetriou gave Schwab the go ahead.

He knew what was going on ,the whole footy word did because that's what half a dozen clubs had done before us.

Demetriou actually did give us the go ahead, when he said over and over, that Melbourne were only doing what others did and that as long as they didn't tell players to lose, they could manage their team however they wished.

I know BB. It just sh-ts me that our club is the only one mentioned when tanking is brought up. A decent bloke died with a stain on his character and his family live with it and another bloke was removed from the AFL at the whim of Demetriou, for comments made in a PRIVATE not PUBLIC club meeting.

Many other clubs who did the same as us and had Officials admitting it publicly were not touched.

Now North tamper with the finals and ladder positions and do this under AFL sanction and clearly against the AFL rules,but it is ok for them.

It f-ing stinks.

oh come on drama queen

I'll disagree with the methods North are employing rules they're manipulating right up until the MFC get the opportunity to do the same.

Only then, will it be okay and acceptable.

G'day Redleg,

Whilst I agree with you in principle, I'm reminded of the picture in your avatar and I'm wondering if that's the same dead horse you're flogging since there's no way we're going to get the $500k back because the AFL never admits to being wrong..

I only raised the issue as a discussion point, as it is in the spotlight. I know nothing will come of it, but you must admit that it stinks. Different rules for some, when it suits.

Now that the finals position is allowed to be changed by North, as sanctioned by the AFL, in total breach of the AFL Rules, Melbourne should seek a full exoneration, refund of fine money paid, exoneration of Bailey and Connolly and an apology for the misery the whole saga brought to us, together with full compensation. How many sponsors did we lose? How many members, etc ?

Perhaps a PP or 5 to make up for the damage the whole saga caused would be acceptable to the Club and full exoneration of everyone concerned.

Clearly the North Officials have discussed the resting of players and the effect it would have on the finals and where they are played and against who. That is all the AFL found we did, not Tank but discuss not playing our best team. Everyone agrees the players did their best on the day. Connolly and Bailey were vilified as a result, Connolly was run out of the game and Bailey died with a stain on his character, the club was tarnished and suffered untold damage.

The AFL says all that is now legal.

We need compensation for that damage, from the party who caused it, the AFL. Clearly we did nothing wrong and were cleared of tanking anyway.

Pretend we are a strong club and stand up for ourselves. At the very least leak the idea to the media, that we are considering it.

especially since the Pies, Dons, Blues & Suns & Lions are list managing as well,,,,,,, to they're differing degrees, to get to that desired position of the ladder which will allow them to achieve their desired draftee, the one they hope to pickup that should help them to become the team they want to be, in the shorter term.

........ the Natinal Draft as it is, must change, to make what is a near certainty of a selection position, a gamble of higher risk.

I'll disagree with the methods North are employing rules they're manipulating right up until the MFC get the opportunity to do the same.

Only then, will it be okay and acceptable deemed unacceptable and we will be hauled over the coals, again!

Fixed it for you.

They (Norf and Freo) are setting themselves up to win a final next week.

We set ourselves up to win a better draft pick.

I trust most can see the difference, and why the suggestions in the OP are a tad silly.

In North's case they could be seen as doing a little more than just resting players to be fresh - they have a specific fixturing advantage to be gained by losing, and have taken actions which make it almost certain that they will lose.

They've done it overtly and blatantly, much as Hawthorn, Collingwood and Carlton all overtly and blatantly tanked back when it was socially acceptable, before captain impulse-into-obsession Demetriou decided to spend two years beating a dead issue up 'so that it can be put behind us'. (Wow, that guy was a walking oxymoron!)

Point is, what's acceptable comes down to mood. And the mood right now is 'Whatever'. there have been so many dead rubbers and one-sided pointless games this season that nobody is going to get too worked up about a couple more.

Maybe Richmond should decide now is a great time to put players in different positions, just to see how it works before the finals.

Maybe Richmond should decide now is a great time to put players in different positions, just to see how it works before the finals.

Cue Benny Hill music....

Fixed it for you.

Too true.

We won that game

? Not in my memory. Jordan McMahon?

Hear Hear. Two faced bastards.

As repayment the he AFL should pull some strings and work a way for Jesse Hogan to remain a Demon for life

In North's case they could be seen as doing a little more than just resting players to be fresh - they have a specific fixturing advantage to be gained by losing, and have taken actions which make it almost certain that they will lose.

They've done it overtly and blatantly, much as Hawthorn, Collingwood and Carlton all overtly and blatantly tanked back when it was socially acceptable, before captain impulse-into-obsession Demetriou decided to spend two years beating a dead issue up 'so that it can be put behind us'. (Wow, that guy was a walking oxymoron!)

Point is, what's acceptable comes down to mood. And the mood right now is 'Whatever'. there have been so many dead rubbers and one-sided pointless games this season that nobody is going to get too worked up about a couple more.

It actually wasn't Demetriou, he was helping us saying we were doing nothing wrong, it was Adrian Anderson his Footy Manager, who started the whole fiasco while Demetriou was overseas. I believe Demetriou was so angry with Anderson it cost AA his job a few months later.

Spot on Redleg - an overly zealous understudy (Anderson) thought he could stamp his authority while the Grand Poobah was out of town.

Sadly for him, instead of stamping said authority, he ended up stamping his own papers and being given the Tijuana.

Altho' I am no real fan of Demetriou's, I think he massaged as soft a landing as possible for us.

Harry Hindsight suggests that AA would probably like to press the rewind button on this one.

BTW, why do Libba's revelations re Carltank never seem to get much airtime?

I'm more upset with CC for being such a loose-mouthed [censored].

I'm more upset with the treacherous lily livered mouthpiece that turned a private joke into a public fiasco

That North has been able to rest players and effectively manipulate the final 8, guaranteeing themselves a final in Victoria is staggering and against the AFL's clear cut rules is absolutely staggering.

That the AFL have let them break their rules is not at all surprising

G'day Redleg,

Whilst I agree with you in principle, I'm reminded of the picture in your avatar and I'm wondering if that's the same dead horse you're flogging since there's no way we're going to get the $500k back because the AFL never admits to being wrong..

WJ did we ever actually pay the fine? If we did it was a temporary shuffle of cheques, $500k from us to them while $2M came back the other way to keep us solvent and allow us to bring in PJ and Roos.

I know BB. It just sh-ts me that our club is the only one mentioned when tanking is brought up. A decent bloke died with a stain on his character and his family live with it and another bloke was removed from the AFL at the whim of Demetriou, for comments made in a PRIVATE not PUBLIC club meeting.

Many other clubs who did the same as us and had Officials admitting it publicly were not touched.

Now North tamper with the finals and ladder positions and do this under AFL sanction and clearly against the AFL rules,but it is ok for them.

It f-ing stinks.

There are lots of things that frustrate me. One is Sunday. I'm not sure we're playing our best team.

Of course it's moot. I'm sick of losing and I'm sick of complaining and I'm sick of excuses.

This is a Pandora's Box that need not be opened.

One thing that has impressed me on the land this year is that while we have whinged a lot about the onfield product, it's been just that. We whinge about our results on field.

Going over the numerous administrative misadventures again just opens up a can of worms that is no good for anyone. Natural justice wasn't served but as Tommy Hafey used to say to Richmond players in the 60's when people would pump up the teams of the 30's and 40's to them.
'I don't care what happened in the past. The now and the future should be what you are all about.'

In North's case they could be seen as doing a little more than just resting players to be fresh - they have a specific fixturing advantage to be gained by losing, and have taken actions which make it almost certain that they will lose.

They've done it overtly and blatantly, much as Hawthorn, Collingwood and Carlton all overtly and blatantly tanked back when it was socially acceptable, before captain impulse-into-obsession Demetriou decided to spend two years beating a dead issue up 'so that it can be put behind us'. (Wow, that guy was a walking oxymoron!)

Point is, what's acceptable comes down to mood. And the mood right now is 'Whatever'. there have been so many dead rubbers and one-sided pointless games this season that nobody is going to get too worked up about a couple more.

you can't blame vladimir, for the taking investigation, at the time of on the couch set up, with mclean, vladimir was out of the country, Anderson made the decision to start the investigation, am sure vladimir was very angry with Anderson, Anderson was seen to take over from vladimir.