Jump to content


Recommended Posts

Posted (edited)

You could easily argue, that the simple fact that we haven't drafted/traded any star mids, is the reason for where we have been and still are.

If you look at all the good sides they have a few star mids. These great mids, even though surrounded by good, not brilliant players, have the ability to drag their teams to success.

We have long said it begins in the middle and we are poor there and hence our ladder position.

We need somehow to trade/draft some really good mids to remedy this situation.

When I look at our list we have some decent players, who if they were led by some great mids, could be a finals side.

It speaks volumes, when you accept that possibly our best mid ATM, is a 30 year old reject from another club.

Whatever we do now at the trade/draft table, should be aimed at solving this problem.

If we clear Howe it should be for a very good mid or the pick that gets us one.

Our first draft pick likewise must be aimed at the best mid available.

The Pies have Pendles, Swan and Sidebottom among others but are still rumoured to be the new home for Treloar. He will make their midfield better. We are behind them and with Treloar that gap will widen.

This is the problem we face. Yes Brayshaw will get better and Viney goes hard but they may never get to the heights of star mids and that is what we need, desperately.

Edited by Redleg
  • Like 3

Posted

It speaks volumes, when you accept that possibly our best mid ATM, is a 30 year old reject from another club.

Do you really have to resort to this absurd language in attempt to make your point stronger? He is not a reject, he is an extremely good player whatever way you would like to spin it, and with his form this year he would be in the top couple of mids at nearly every other club too. Nathan Jones isn't exactly a hack either.

Posted

Will bet every dollar Brayshaw Viney Tyson Petracca Salem will be qaulity midfielders in 3 to 5 years time.

  • Like 5
Posted (edited)

Do you really have to resort to this absurd language in attempt to make your point stronger? He is not a reject, he is an extremely good player whatever way you would like to spin it, and with his form this year he would be in the top couple of mids at nearly every other club too. Nathan Jones isn't exactly a hack either.

He literally was a reject. He was delisted and we picked him up as a delisted FA.

What he's done for us says more about our senior figures and leaders than anything else. He has a die-hard attitude and competes at all times like Jones.

I doubt he would have been picked up bar perhaps either of the two expansion sides for the same reasons.

The doggies have Boyd, Murphy and Morris. Players who carry the same attributes. They've managed their list very well.

Edited by stevethemanjordan
Posted

He literally was a reject. He was delisted and we picked him up as a delisted FA.

What he's done for us says more about our senior figures and leaders than anything else. He has a die-hard attitude and competes at all times like Jones.

I doubt he would have been picked up bar perhaps either of the two expansion sides for the same reasons.

The doggies have Boyd, Murphy and Morris. Players who carry the same attributes. They've managed their list very well.

Pretty sure he is talking about Vince.
  • Like 1

Posted

In terms of A-graders, Brayshaw has displayed more than enough in his debut year to suggest he'll be one. Tyson showed signs last year, and Viney has added strings to his bow this year, but if those two don't continue to develop, we're stuck on one possible future A-grader.

Petracca could well be a second. Trengove, if he makes it, has the potential too. Salem is playing half-back, not sure if long term he stays there or goes into the middle (I'd develop him into an A-grade half-back IMO).

Add those to N Jones and Vince, and it's not like there isn't hope, but after this group there is no one else on the list other than unprovens (Toumpas, Michie, Newton, Harmes, Stretch, ANB) or those who clearly aren't good enough (McKenzie, Riley, M Jones, Bail).

A lot comes down to whether Toumpas, Michie, Newton, Harmes, Stretch and ANB make it. I'm confident in the latter three, less so in the former three. If they do, then we're not desperately in need of drafting/trading for new mids. If they don't, then we will have to source them from elsewhere.


Posted

Do you really have to resort to this absurd language in attempt to make your point stronger? He is not a reject, he is an extremely good player whatever way you would like to spin it, and with his form this year he would be in the top couple of mids at nearly every other club too. Nathan Jones isn't exactly a hack either.

I never said he wasn't a good player. I actually said the opposite, that he was probably our best mid ATM. He was still REJECTED by the Crows, whichever way you want to spin it.

Stop looking to argue just for the sake of it.

  • Like 3

Posted

It's a funny coincidence that you mention Collingwood, and specifically Sidebottom, Pendlebury and Swan.

They all had excellent games today.

Ahhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

It feels great to reinforce my belief in prioritising 'actually having a best 22 on the field' at the same time as laughing til I fart at Collingwood's expense..

Posted

It's a funny coincidence that you mention Collingwood, and specifically Sidebottom, Pendlebury and Swan.

They all had excellent games today.

Ahhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

It feels great to reinforce my belief in prioritising 'actually having a best 22 on the field' at the same time as laughing til I fart at Collingwood's expense..

If you're essentially re-opening the 'top 6 vs bottom 6' debate, and you're arguing for the bottom 6 as being more important for us, I disagree with you.

Otherwise, carry on.

Posted

Will bet every dollar Brayshaw Viney Tyson Petracca Salem will be qaulity midfielders in 3 to 5 years time.

thats what he's saying, those kids & US, need someone to excite them, for them to grow & follow up to a higher path.

Posted

I never said he wasn't a good player. I actually said the opposite, that he was probably our best mid ATM. He was still REJECTED by the Crows, whichever way you want to spin it.

Stop looking to argue just for the sake of it.

Sorry but only a tool would use the word reject when talking about Vince. Crows wanted to get a particular player & needed to trade for a draft pick so Vince was an option.

He is no more a reject than Josh Kennedy or Brad Ottens.

Posted (edited)

I never said he wasn't a good player. I actually said the opposite, that he was probably our best mid ATM. He was still REJECTED by the Crows, whichever way you want to spin it.

Stop looking to argue just for the sake of it.

ah no, you were trying to add to the drama and quite literally say 'look how shizen we are, even our best player was not good enough for the crows'

there are a lot of problems down at the MFC but we don't need supporters trashing our few quality players for no reason

Edited by Curry & Beer
Posted

ah no, you were trying to add to the drama and quite literally say 'look how shizen we are, even our best player was not good enough for the crows'

there are a lot of problems down at the MFC but we don't need supporters trashing our few quality players for no reason

But when you get over that you will realise what he is saying makes a lot of sense .. Not that it hasn't been spoken about before ...

Posted (edited)

ah no, you were trying to add to the drama and quite literally say 'look how shizen we are, even our best player was not good enough for the crows'

there are a lot of problems down at the MFC but we don't need supporters trashing our few quality players for no reason

I'll say it for the last time, I wasn't trashing Bernie and you know it. He has been fantastic for us and I wish we had more like him. I was making the point that a player in the last few years of his career, was rejected by his club, or let go by his club, or whatever you like to call it, is probably our best mid ATM.

You clearly just love to fight with other posters. As I said to you once before, " too much curry and not enough beer."

Edited by Redleg
  • Like 2
Posted

In terms of A-graders, Brayshaw has displayed more than enough in his debut year to suggest he'll be one. Tyson showed signs last year, and Viney has added strings to his bow this year, but if those two don't continue to develop, we're stuck on one possible future A-grader.

Petracca could well be a second. Trengove, if he makes it, has the potential too. Salem is playing half-back, not sure if long term he stays there or goes into the middle (I'd develop him into an A-grade half-back IMO).

Add those to N Jones and Vince, and it's not like there isn't hope, but after this group there is no one else on the list other than unprovens (Toumpas, Michie, Newton, Harmes, Stretch, ANB) or those who clearly aren't good enough (McKenzie, Riley, M Jones, Bail).

A lot comes down to whether Toumpas, Michie, Newton, Harmes, Stretch and ANB make it. I'm confident in the latter three, less so in the former three. If they do, then we're not desperately in need of drafting/trading for new mids. If they don't, then we will have to source them from elsewhere.

I'd include vandenBerg in that lot as well, the young man has shown he knows how to handle the game at the highest level and a real pre season may/should see him jump to another level.

Brayshaw, Viney, Tyson, vandenBerg plus ANB, Stretch, Harmes (a real surprise packet IMHO this year) and with a bit of luck Trengove and Petracca give the coaching panel something quite solid to work with.

I could include Salem but he looks good of half back just now.

And, just for cream on the cake, Hogan for a run in the middle ever so often. His stint in the middle last week was very good: a bit of shock and awe!

  • Like 1

Posted

You could easily argue, that the simple fact that we haven't drafted/traded any star mids, is the reason for where we have been and still are.

If you look at all the good sides they have a few star mids. These great mids, even though surrounded by good, not brilliant players, have the ability to drag their teams to success.

We have long said it begins in the middle and we are poor there and hence our ladder position.

We need somehow to trade/draft some really good mids to remedy this situation.

When I look at our list we have some decent players, who if they were led by some great mids, could be a finals side.

It speaks volumes, when you accept that possibly our best mid ATM, is a 30 year old reject from another club.

Whatever we do now at the trade/draft table, should be aimed at solving this problem.

If we clear Howe it should be for a very good mid or the pick that gets us one.

Our first draft pick likewise must be aimed at the best mid available.

The Pies have Pendles, Swan and Sidebottom among others but are still rumoured to be the new home for Treloar. He will make their midfield better. We are behind them and with Treloar that gap will widen.

This is the problem we face. Yes Brayshaw will get better and Viney goes hard but they may never get to the heights of star mids and that is what we need, desperately.

I would hardly be quoting the Pies as an example after their 91 point loss today to the Tigers (who we beat)!

Petracca is the man and we are not as bad as you suggest in the midfield. We have problems in other parts of the ground.

Posted

Petracca is the man and we are not as bad as you suggest in the midfield. We have problems in other parts of the ground.

Those who apparently know, feel that Petracca is more an explosive forward who can have short bursts in the middle, rather than a true mid.

  • Like 1
Posted

Vince will win the B&F. I'm quite happy Adelaide gave us a reject

Posted

We need star mids big time. I can't remember the last star mid we had. Maybe greg Wells. I am talking the Judd, Ablett, pendlebury that can handle a tag and still perform week in week out and dominate.

Posted

I'll say it for the last time, I wasn't trashing Bernie and you know it. He has been fantastic for us and I wish we had more like him. I was making the point that a player in the last few years of his career, was rejected by his club, or let go by his club, or whatever you like to call it, is probably our best mid ATM.

You clearly just love to fight with other posters. As I said to you once before, " too much curry and not enough beer."

What's your point though? What does mentioning his departure from Adelaide have to do with anything? If you weren't using it to strengthen your point, you wouldn't have just said it for no reason. So you obviously meant something by it. IN any case he is a 'star mid' and he wears red and blue so that kinda hurts your point.

  • Like 1

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    2024 Player Reviews: #7 Jack Viney

    The tough on baller won his second Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy in a narrow battle with skipper Max Gawn and Alex Neal-Bullen and battled on manfully in the face of a number of injury niggles. Date of Birth: 13 April 1994 Height: 178cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 219 Goals MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 66 Brownlow Medal Votes: 8

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    TRAINING: Wednesday 13th November 2024

    A couple of Demonland Trackwatchers braved the rain and headed down to Gosch's paddock to bring you their observations from the second day of Preseason training for the 1st to 4th Year players. DITCHA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I attended some of the training today. Richo spoke to me and said not to believe what is in the media, as we will good this year. Jefferson and Kentfield looked big and strong.  Petty was doing all the training. Adams looked like he was in rehab.  KE

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #15 Ed Langdon

    The Demon running machine came back with a vengeance after a leaner than usual year in 2023.  Date of Birth: 1 February 1996 Height: 182cm Games MFC 2024: 22 Career Total: 179 Goals MFC 2024: 9 Career Total: 76 Brownlow Medal Votes: 5 Melbourne Football Club: 5th Best & Fairest: 352 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 6

    2024 Player Reviews: #24 Trent Rivers

    The premiership defender had his best year yet as he was given the opportunity to move into the midfield and made a good fist of it. Date of Birth: 30 July 2001 Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 100 Goals MFC 2024: 2 Career Total:  9 Brownlow Medal Votes: 7 Melbourne Football Club: 6th Best & Fairest: 350 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 2

    TRAINING: Monday 11th November 2024

    Veteran Demonland Trackwatchers Kev Martin, Slartibartfast & Demon Wheels were on hand at Gosch's Paddock to kick off the official first training session for the 1st to 4th year players with a few elder statesmen in attendance as well. KEV MARTIN'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Beautiful morning. Joy all round, they look like they want to be there.  21 in the squad. Looks like the leadership group is TMac, Viney Chandler and Petty. They look like they have sli

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 2

    2024 Player Reviews: #1 Steven May

    The years are rolling by but May continued to be rock solid in a key defensive position despite some injury concerns. He showed great resilience in coming back from a nasty rib injury and is expected to continue in that role for another couple of seasons. Date of Birth: 10 January 1992 Height: 193cm Games MFC 2024: 19 Career Total: 235 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 24 Melbourne Football Club: 9th Best & Fairest: 316 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 2

    2024 Player Reviews: #4 Judd McVee

    It was another strong season from McVee who spent most of his time mainly at half back but he also looked at home on a few occasions when he was moved into the midfield. There could be more of that in 2025. Date of Birth: 7 August 2003 Height: 185cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 48 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 1 Brownlow Medal Votes: 1 Melbourne Football Club: 7th Best & Fairest: 347 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #31 Bayley Fritsch

    Once again the club’s top goal scorer but he had a few uncharacteristic flat spots during the season and the club will be looking for much better from him in 2025. Date of Birth: 6 December 1996 Height: 188cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 149 Goals MFC 2024: 41 Career Total: 252 Brownlow Medal Votes: 4

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 9

    2024 Player Reviews: #18 Jake Melksham

    After sustaining a torn ACL in the final match of the 2023 season Jake added a bit to the attack late in the 2024 season upon his return. He has re-signed on to the Demons for 1 more season in 2025. Date of Birth: 12 August 1991 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 229 Goals MFC 2024: 8 Career Total: 188

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 7
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!
×
×
  • Create New...