olisik is a troll

don't feed him

thats quite an accusation there mate?

How is questioning ones leadership ability trolling? we lost by 100 points yesterday and have consistently lacked on-field leadership all year. it is actually one of our biggest weaknesses, we can see our team has the talent when we are on top of things however once other teams get a run on we fail to show any fight.

we have heard before that Jones needed to alter the way he played his game to be more team orientated when Roo's took over and i get the feeling he sometimes is more concerned on his own game rather then the teams as a whole.

in my opinion this comes down to leadership.

Edited August 17, 201510 yr by olisik

You close down Jones and Vince and you close down Melbourne.

Hodge gets to have high standards and spray to odd mistake and inert player because they are odd.

Can one imagine what Jones would look like if he baked all the mistakes and disinterest from that first half?

He would have had a coronary.

Jones is trying to turn this ship around. It's a bloody big ship and will take more than just his effort.

I think he's a fine skipper who hasn't got the game changing abilities of other club captains but nobody should question his commitment to the club and his role of Captain.

My question is still - why did our skipper & best player have only 74% time on ground? He was effectively off the field for a whole quarter - why?

He was one of the ones responsible for dragging us off the floor in the third.

For that matter, Vince & Watts didn't have much more game time either (77% & 79%). But these were the guys we needed front & centre.

He hasn't looked right for 3 weeks now (OK, 'flu last week fair enough).

All a bit odd.

My question is still - why did our skipper & best player have only 74% time on ground? He was effectively off the field for a whole quarter - why?

He was one of the ones responsible for dragging us off the floor in the third.

For that matter, Vince & Watts didn't have much more game time either (77% & 79%). But these were the guys we needed front & centre.

He hasn't looked right for 3 weeks now (OK, 'flu last week fair enough).

All a bit odd.

I hope it's because they got sick from the previous week, otherwise it is a worry.

The last bloke that deserves to be questioned. One of the better leaders in the competition. Just needs help.

I hope it's because they got sick from the previous week, otherwise it is a worry.

They just want the season to end according to Roos.

What sort of a mindset is that?

They just want the season to end according to Roos.

What sort of a mindset is that?

Makes me worry how these guys will ever be Finals ready if they are tired 3/4 through the season and waiting for it to be over.

This should be the players passion, we want guys who want to be on the field.

Makes me worry how these guys will ever be Finals ready if they are tired 3/4 through the season and waiting for it to be over.

This should be the players passion, we want guys who want to be on the field.

Most of these guys won't ever be Finals Ready

They can play. That was shown in the 3rd Q

But they are not up to 100 minutes of it

Should be. But it will not happen

Roosy's biggest clean out coming up...

Agree with the pro Jones posts. Our best player, the heart and soul of the team. No-one else comes close from a captaincy viewpoint.

Has played this year with injury and heavy tags.

Agree with the pro Jones posts. Our best player, the heart and soul of the team. No-one else comes close from a captaincy viewpoint.

Has played this year with injury and heavy tags.

is this fact?

He looked sick last week.

As I sat up in the heavens yesterday it was hard to tell how he fared yesterday, but 74% game time especial when we made the sub at half time, is a telltale sign that he isn't right.

Compared to the captains over the past 15 years, Jones stacks up pretty well.

I'd put Neitz first and Nathan second along side Jnr Mac.

One midfielder is supposed to prevent an entire red hot team running all over the top of his team?

A bit of help would've been nice.

This argument is pointless and goes round in circles with middle to poor clubs. When Richmond are struggling Cotchin is the worst captain in the league, when they're winning he's suddenly a great leader.

Why wasn't this brought up when Jones destroyed Richmond? Or whenever he kicks a clutch goal (rarely misses, unlike Cotchin)?

We beat Geelong and Carey is comparing him to Selwood, we lose to the Bulldogs and now his captaincy is questioned.

What a joke.

He's been more up and down than previous years and I have questioned his leadership at times, but it can be hard to grasp from the outside

People were screaming for him to be the captain in 2012-13, so would it really achieve much changing it again? I see McDonald as a capable captain but not sure if he'd be ready or the process of changing again would help us.

Even if there's a better option by no means is Jones undeserving. We could also go the way of co-captains which Roos started at the Swans (I think)

They just want the season to end according to Roos.

What sort of a mindset is that?

A mindset that just reinforces supporters views about the players at MFC. Obviously we have some AFL worthy players, however we also have our fair share of duds.

I hate Paul Roos making statements like that! They are paid fantastic money to play a number of games to the best of their ability.

The MFC is in no position to send out this type of message.....what a nonsense Roosy

Seriously though, how sad is it that this club has turned us against our most committed, hard working player?

I hate this club.

No, you hate football.

I hope it's because they got sick from the previous week, otherwise it is a worry.

Jetta was visibly struggling with flu like symptoms more than most, and I think Jones was too.

I'm reasonably fit and young, but if they had the flu anything like I've had, I'm astonished they managed to play.

And it has hung around for about 2 weeks so far, in various guises.

The man is already a legend of the club - 3 best and fairest, never injured, kicks crucial captains goals, great mentor to young mids, always at the bottom of a pack.

Give him the respect he deserves.

No, you hate football.

Stupid post.

He's our most consistent midfielder (though isn't consistent enough for someone of his ability, IMO). He's being asked to be the leader of a club with no other leaders.

His support crew consists of Howe, Garland, Lumumba, Dunn, Dawes, Grimes, Jamar, Garlett, Cross, Vince - in other words, his support crew sucks.

He has an enormous burden on his shoulders, and he's struggling with it.

The focus should be on how to provide him with the required level of support, not whether to take the captaincy off him. He's captain material, but to captain any club requires a team effort and he can't do it alone.

Stupid post.

Why?

You think these symptoms are felt by Melbourne supporters alone?

Wake up.

Why?

You think these symptoms are felt by Melbourne supporters alone?

Wake up.

I'll make it simple.

By what logic/evidence can you conclude that praha hates football?

ERGO. "Stupid post"

No, stupid audience by the looks of it.

Who's the drama queen to open this thread?