Diets are a funny thing. I don't diet, I just stick to healthy meals and when I feel like it, have a cheat meal.

I'm big into the gym and MMA, when I started going to the gym I was a skinny 76kg at 6'2". I tried everything and couldn't put on weight, and if I did it only resulted in a pot belly.

Very clean, healthy eating worked for me, poached chicken, brown rice and broccoli. Now 105kg at 10% bf.

It's honestly what works for you. A vegetarian diet wouldn't work me,yes you can supplement with whey and other proteins however your body can only process a small amount of that stuff at once and the rest is excreted.

Well done ET, but what you just said about 'other proteins' and body processing and excreting is just piffle. You might have read it somewhere, or been told it, but that doesn't make it true. Which it isn't. ANY protein from ANY source will be processed and used by the body as per the body's needs at that time. If you have more than it needs, at that time, it will be excreted.

I am not into fancy diets but I have lost 23 kilos in 12 months.......I was inactive, had a beer gut and was lazy ....drank to much beer....ate all the fast foods I could get because I was too lazy to cook for myself......I then went to the doctors and she told me that diabetes was just around the corner and my blood pressure was about to go off the scale.

I then changed my attitude.....I joined a Gym.......Ate a whole lot better(no Macca's No Hungry Jacks) cut down all sugars and breads,.....Started cooking good for you foods.....Walked the dog a lot more(Boy is he a happy chappie now)

What I am trying to say Is that "Every thing in MODERATION".....I love pasta dishes but I only have them as a treat now....Instead of ice cream I have yogat for dessert.

I am now 88kgs.......and that's not bad for a bloke that 6'3' .....That was my playing weight when I retired at 36....Also only have a beer on Sundays with friends and you know what?.......I feel great....The Doctor is as pleased as punch.......and as I'm in my early 60's, I can look forward to the rest of my retirement in good health....

Great story Bossdog, and clearly you had a lot of potential for 'moderation'! The 'everything in moderation' mantra, and it is a mantra, is more about retaining a psychological wellbeing than a recipe for elite fitness and wicked good health. It's about reward, comfort, the feeling of not being deprived, and sensory pleasure mostly. The reality is that a number of those things in the 'everything' have little or no nutritional value. If they're not significant in the diet, like they are no longer in yours, then who cares? You're healthy AND happy, but there's a difference between getting maximal health benefit from everything you eat, and mixing in some rubbish in harmless amounts. At elite levels of sports performance, those little rubbish sadly can make a difference.

This topic is making me feel bad about how truly lazy i am.

I am not into fancy diets but I have lost 23 kilos in 12 months.......I was inactive, had a beer gut and was lazy ....drank to much beer....ate all the fast foods I could get because I was too lazy to cook for myself......I then went to the doctors and she told me that diabetes was just around the corner and my blood pressure was about to go off the scale.

I then changed my attitude.....I joined a Gym.......Ate a whole lot better(no Macca's No Hungry Jacks) cut down all sugars and breads,.....Started cooking good for you foods.....Walked the dog a lot more(Boy is he a happy chappie now)

What I am trying to say Is that "Every thing in MODERATION".....I love pasta dishes but I only have them as a treat now....Instead of ice cream I have yogat for dessert.

I am now 88kgs.......and that's not bad for a bloke that 6'3' .....That was my playing weight when I retired at 36....Also only have a beer on Sundays with friends and you know what?.......I feel great....The Doctor is as pleased as punch.......and as I'm in my early 60's, I can look forward to the rest of my retirement in good health....

geez, as a collingwood 6' footer, if I got fit I'd be 87 - 92 Kgs 114 +- atmo

6'-3" 88kgs your a marathon runner

Well done ET, but what you just said about 'other proteins' and body processing and excreting is just piffle. You might have read it somewhere, or been told it, but that doesn't make it true. Which it isn't. ANY protein from ANY source will be processed and used by the body as per the body's needs at that time. If you have more than it needs, at that time, it will be excreted.

I probably didn't make my point very clear but I agree with what you say.

I do find it funny though Webber that I'm to disregard what I've been told and researched however am to listen to you.

Perhaps if I USED more capitals my post will have more credibility..?

Diets are a funny thing. I don't diet, I just stick to healthy meals and when I feel like it, have a cheat meal.

I'm big into the gym and MMA, when I started going to the gym I was a skinny 76kg at 6'2". I tried everything and couldn't put on weight, and if I did it only resulted in a pot belly.

Very clean, healthy eating worked for me, poached chicken, brown rice and broccoli. Now 105kg at 10% bf.

It's honestly what works for you. A vegetarian diet wouldn't work me,yes you can supplement with whey and other proteins however your body can only process a small amount of that stuff at once and the rest is excreted.

I understand one of the things protein is broken down into in the intestines in phosphorous, & transformed later in the chain possibly liver? into other compounds.

No doubt different proteins Eaten will be broken down into different compounds as needed & the used & excreted.

this is a new/old area with many new things being discovered in this area every day.

what was taught yesterday is different today.

I understand one of the things protein is broken down into in the intestines in phosphorous, & transformed later in the chain possibly liver? into other compounds.

No doubt different proteins Eaten will be broken down into different compounds as needed & the used & excreted.

this is a new/old area with many new things being discovered in this area every day.

what was taught yesterday is different today.

Ain't that the truth dee luded.

Over the years i have seen so many changes that I have given up worrying.

I just try to eat in moderation and get some exercise.

Beyond that I will let others argue.

Because the one thing I do know is that next year there will be a new truth.

Guess who is not on the diet

I probably didn't make my point very clear but I agree with what you say.

I do find it funny though Webber that I'm to disregard what I've been told and researched however am to listen to you.

Perhaps if I USED more capitals my post will have more credibility..?

What you've been told is wrong, and any 'research' that supports that idea is dodgy. Credibility on matters of science relates to provable fact only. When it comes to diet, there are gazillions of systems and plans and perfect combinations out there, and variation does relate to different needs. When it comes to what the body does with what we put into it though, it's known and proven.

What you've been told is wrong, and any 'research' that supports that idea is dodgy. Credibility on matters of science relates to provable fact only. When it comes to diet, there are gazillions of systems and plans and perfect combinations out there, and variation does relate to different needs. When it comes to what the body does with what we put into it though, it's known and proven.

Sorry 'Webber', whilst I agree that there is a lot of information out there that is false or unproven I can't agree with this statement.

Sorry 'Webber', whilst I agree that there is a lot of information out there that is false or unproven I can't agree with this statement.

I'm talking about the reductive process of metabolising food. Thus, if you eat a boiled egg, we know what that egg is chemically constructed of, and we know how the body metabolises those constituents. It's just the digestive process. When you add all the things we ingest in combination, it becomes an enormously complicated system, but at a constituent level, it's a well known, well studied process.

Ain't that the truth dee luded.

Over the years i have seen so many changes that I have given up worrying.

I just try to eat in moderation and get some exercise.

Beyond that I will let others argue.

Because the one thing I do know is that next year there will be a new truth.

can you Xplane moderation to me od ?

Edited December 2, 201410 yr by dee-luded

can you Xplane moderation to me od ?

maybe one of the moderators could explain it better than od, d-l?

I've decided to give the Paleo diet a go to try and shed some of those unwanted kg's in time for summer and give myself some more energy.

I am 5'9" and to begin with I weighed in at 77.2kgs. In just 3 days of being on this diet I have already lost 2.5kgs and am now 74.7kgs.

To be honest, it's a very bland diet compared to the foods that I usually eat but the weight loss and not feeling bloated after meals has made it worthwhile so far. I didn't eat too badly to begin with but I do enjoy my pizzas, pasta, noodle and rice dishes.

Haven't really noticed a marked increase in energy just yet. I played a game of basketball last night and was just as knackered as usual during it and at the end of it. Hoping that my energy will increase as I progress through the diet.

It really is a 'caveman' diet in which you are not allowed to eat any processed foods or foods that have additives. Foods that you are allowed to eat are some meats, fish, seafood, fruits, vegetables, eggs, nuts, seeds and healthy oils. No unnatural sugar and no carbs.

When it comes to drinks it is pretty much water and green tea. Not much of a selection there! You are not really supposed to drink alcohol but a glass of wine with dinner is alright and distilled spirits in moderation with no mixers or just with soda water is accepted. Unfortunately beer is not Paleo.

So I would expect that the training pics that we see will illustrate a rapid loss in fat for the players and if they are maintaining their protein intake then their muscle defintion should not decrease.

I've decided to give the Paleo diet a go to try and shed some of those unwanted kg's in time for summer and give myself some more energy.

I am 5'9" and to begin with I weighed in at 77.2kgs. In just 3 days of being on this diet I have already lost 2.5kgs and am now 74.7kgs.

To be honest, it's a very bland diet compared to the foods that I usually eat but the weight loss and not feeling bloated after meals has made it worthwhile so far. I didn't eat too badly to begin with but I do enjoy my pizzas, pasta, noodle and rice dishes.

Haven't really noticed a marked increase in energy just yet. I played a game of basketball last night and was just as knackered as usual during it and at the end of it. Hoping that my energy will increase as I progress through the diet.

It really is a 'caveman' diet in which you are not allowed to eat any processed foods or foods that have additives. Foods that you are allowed to eat are some meats, fish, seafood, fruits, vegetables, eggs, nuts, seeds and healthy oils. No unnatural sugar and no carbs.

When it comes to drinks it is pretty much water and green tea. Not much of a selection there! You are not really supposed to drink alcohol but a glass of wine with dinner is alright and distilled spirits in moderation with no mixers or just with soda water is accepted. Unfortunately beer is not Paleo.

So I would expect that the training pics that we see will illustrate a rapid loss in fat for the players and if they are maintaining their protein intake then their muscle defintion should not decrease.

Well done. I am the same height as you, but much heavier at 95kg's and probably a hell of a lot older, being a grand dad. I am going to give it a try as well. I obviously have far more than you to lose, so should be interesting.

Well done. I am the same height as you, but much heavier at 95kg's and probably a hell of a lot older, being a grand dad. I am going to give it a try as well. I obviously have far more than you to lose, so should be interesting.

So starting Thursday morning?

So starting Thursday morning?

Read the TS thread.

I've decided to give the Paleo diet a go to try and shed some of those unwanted kg's in time for summer and give myself some more energy.

I am 5'9" and to begin with I weighed in at 77.2kgs. In just 3 days of being on this diet I have already lost 2.5kgs and am now 74.7kgs.

To be honest, it's a very bland diet compared to the foods that I usually eat but the weight loss and not feeling bloated after meals has made it worthwhile so far. I didn't eat too badly to begin with but I do enjoy my pizzas, pasta, noodle and rice dishes.

Haven't really noticed a marked increase in energy just yet. I played a game of basketball last night and was just as knackered as usual during it and at the end of it. Hoping that my energy will increase as I progress through the diet.

It really is a 'caveman' diet in which you are not allowed to eat any processed foods or foods that have additives. Foods that you are allowed to eat are some meats, fish, seafood, fruits, vegetables, eggs, nuts, seeds and healthy oils. No unnatural sugar and no carbs.

When it comes to drinks it is pretty much water and green tea. Not much of a selection there! You are not really supposed to drink alcohol but a glass of wine with dinner is alright and distilled spirits in moderation with no mixers or just with soda water is accepted. Unfortunately beer is not Paleo.

So I would expect that the training pics that we see will illustrate a rapid loss in fat for the players and if they are maintaining their protein intake then their muscle defintion should not decrease.

You will probably go through a 'tired' period after a week and a bit. Fear not though, it's only temporary.

Try this website out if you haven't already, the recipes and ideas are pretty good.

You will probably go through a 'tired' period after a week and a bit. Fear not though, it's only temporary.

Try this website out if you haven't already, the recipes and ideas are pretty good.

Oh that's good to hear. I was nodding off while watching one of my favourite TV series last night which is quite unusual but now that makes sense.

Thanks for the link. Some of those recipes look great!

I just had a thought. Austin Wonaeamirri and his turtles would have loved this diet.

Well, maybe not the turtles.

can you Xplane moderation to me od ?

The main word in that comment was "Try" dee-luded.

Ain't that the truth dee luded.

Over the years i have seen so many changes that I have given up worrying.

I just try to eat in moderation and get some exercise.

Beyond that I will let others argue.

Because the one thing I do know is that next year there will be a new truth.

An addition to the above.

Went to my doctor today and asked about "the P Diet"

He said there is mounting evidence that too much Carbo and sugar is not good for you and some elements of PD are correct.

When I said that is not what you told me two years ago he said well new info comes in all the time.

I rest my case.

PS he said of course you realise there is not enough meat to feed 6 billion people.

My answer: there is if we eat humans.

Hmm there might yet be a use for Collingwood supporters.

An addition to the above.

Went to my doctor today and asked about "the P Diet"

He said there is mounting evidence that too much Carbo and sugar is not good for you and some elements of PD are correct.

When I said that is not what you told me two years ago he said well new info comes in all the time.

I rest my case.

PS he said of course you realise there is not enough meat to feed 6 billion people.

My answer: there is if we eat humans.

Hmm there might yet be a use for Collingwood supporters.

That's exactly the point Old Dee. Paleo diet on a basic level is low carbs and minimal sugar. Too much carbo has and always will be a negative in a diet. In short terms the process behind Paleo is that instead of burning carbs all the time during exercise it teaches your body to burn all your fats (natural fats on a Paleo Diet) as a primary source of energy. If you can teach your body to use fats as an energy source it allows you to go much much longer and restrict your body from needing to 'carb load'.

There are no obvious downsides to a Paleo diet, however if you are not exercising the benefits of such a diet will likely diminish.

Edited December 9, 201410 yr by Arrow

To those following these Paleo-type diets, wondering what you're doing for breakfast?

Suggestions?

I have two teenagers at home. We're vegetarian, have always been healthy-eaters, but do enjoy our pastas and Saturday night pizzas. Not sure how far I could push it!

(A gnat's under 6 foot, 64 kg ... do a lot of fairly serious bike riding)

Had 14 Roast Chickens ,5 kilos of Cashews ,3 lambs,Half a Cow and a Roo.

as well as some peas and lettuce.

I now actually also live in a cave.