Should we wait 100 like with Watts? Or 150 like with Sylvia? Because even they showed more in their first 20 games then Toumpas has.

why don't you waste your time & take out your anger by bagging cCameron & bPrenderghast, instead of a young kid who is struggling at this point.

have a go at a 24 yr old, not a boy in a mans game, who has just ticked over 21... he has 18 months in my book to look like an AFL player.

He will never be ready

Timid.

WYL i was as timid as any rtimid kid was ever, it was knocked into me by bigger, meaner, & older individuals who were just cowards & another who just wasn't interested.

but I had one thing inside, which I hadn't recognized at that time. it got me thru & helped me grow up eventually, without any family support of note. it kept me alive. & gave me a chance. it gave me resistance & durability.

WYL i was as timid as any rtimid kid was ever, it was knocked into me by bigger, meaner, & older individuals who were just cowards & another who just wasn't interested.

but I had one thing inside, which I hadn't recognized at that time. it got me thru & helped me grow up eventually, without any family support of note. it kept me alive. & gave me a chance. it gave me resistance & durability.

Well Toumpas doesn't have that thing inside him....

Well Toumpas doesn't have that thing inside him....

well 'sir WYL' is the see inside us all merchant... he knows best, just like the late Robert Young (Jim Anderson)...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=O64pR4IfYB0

This is just a sad sad thread.

Morton or Toumpas. FMD.

Stop drinking and posting or at least i hope that's the reason for starting such a pathetic thread. I actually feel pity for you.

Well Toumpas doesn't have that thing inside him....

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

i am fine. I just don't see the point in having faith in a kid who aint going to make it

You do realize that after 10 seasons we are still putrid on field

10 consecutive seasons.

i am fine. I just don't see the point in having faith in a kid who aint going to make it

You do realize that after 10 seasons we are still putrid on field

10 consecutive seasons.

I do. But I don't see the need for a Morton or Toumpas thread.

It's the last I'll post and view the thread SWYL. Reading what you guys are posting is plain sad.

We're all angry and [censored] off but a thread like this isn't the answer.

You've posted in excess of 24k times and this is where you're at?

I blocked Olisik a long time ago for good reason it would seem.

I do. But I don't see the need for a Morton or Toumpas thread.

It's the last I'll post and view the thread SWYL. Reading what you guys are posting is plain sad.

We're all angry and [censored] off but a thread like this isn't the answer.

You've posted in excess of 24k times and this is where you're at?

No. It is where the club is at....

No. It is where the club is at....

Yeah nah its you

Round 22 2013 agaisnt adelaide i remember thinking that toumpas could be something

Even last week the way he applyed himself defensively when compared to his teammates was promising

He has shown glimpses

Toumpas is truckloads better than soft[censored] Morton, you've got rocks in your head if think otherwise!!

Would like to see him stay in and play vs the Doggies. He and Stretch really got thrown to the wolves the last 2 weeks vs two powerhouse teams chock full of big bodied experienced players

Terrible effort by the selectors

I think it's pretty much a gven that any thread in which SIR WYL's posts take up about a quarter of the discussion is not worth reading.

I'd much prefer Toumpas over Morton. Why? Because he's on our list. You support players who are on your list. That's your job as a Melbourne supporter.

Im sorry, but did people actually watch the game yesterday? And dont give me nonsense about his 'defensive pressure'.

The kid is scared of the ball, the contest, whatever you want to call it. If it comes into his possesion or even worse, when he has it, he immediately gets rid of it at any cost. Watch his eyes/head dart around.

Has rarely taken the game on. Hasnt got great speed. Isnt a great kick.

So what is left for him? This isnt an AFL standard player.

Hips or no hips, he has had time to show something and hasnt.

Its a bust. Its time we move on.

Go dees

So you want to compare a 20yr playing his second yr to a late 20s who played for 7-8 seasons...

Judge Toumpas on his merits ..

At least Morton showed some promise early and played some good games in his first couple of seasons... I've always been a toumpas fan but I can't defend him any longer, just don't think he'll make it. Not once have I watched a game and thought "gees toumpas was impressive today"

It's his third year guys, He is a likeable kid but like most of our list he needs to step up and become an afl level player, no more excuses

Another Toumpas Thread? No Comment!

i am fine. I just don't see the point in having faith in a kid who aint going to make it

You do realize that after 10 seasons we are still putrid on field

10 consecutive seasons.

Gee you must be fun at parties...

Also gets brushed off in the tackles very easily guys. I'm starting to think he's too nice and won't ever have the grunt for it, similar to Watts, but with ought showing anything elite. Such a shame.

This isn't "glass half empty" stuff, it's just stating facts. Toumpas is yet to display any AFL-worthy traits.

If this changes, praise the Lord (or whomever).

Rectal thread.

We just have not been able to pick some kids who are competition dominators despite our early picks (although Hogan may be the start). No point in bagging those who were picked - we picked them so we wear them. If you look at the top teams and go back in the drafts you we see they had a couple of stellar years with picks (even crappy late picks) which set them up for future success. If for example Petracca, Brayshaw ,Stretch, ANB and vanders become stars................

And then when your team is already well on the way and you 'tin' a Selwood or Rioli it does not get much better. And on top of that you use not so good draft picks to pick up guns like Kennedy and Richards and others...............

Im sorry, but did people actually watch the game yesterday? And dont give me nonsense about his 'defensive pressure'.

The kid is scared of the ball, the contest, whatever you want to call it. If it comes into his possesion or even worse, when he has it, he immediately gets rid of it at any cost. Watch his eyes/head dart around.

Has rarely taken the game on. Hasnt got great speed. Isnt a great kick.

So what is left for him? This isnt an AFL standard player.

Hips or no hips, he has had time to show something and hasnt.

Its a bust. Its time we move on.

Thankyou DSP...