Before he was diagnosed with his foot condition, how long had it been since he was at his best?

2011 was a good year for him. So that would be 2 years before he injured his foot, 3 years in total up until now. 3 years is a long time in football.

To be frank, he has been woeful since the end of 2011, even with his injuries and all (not what one would have hoped from a #2 draft pick).

I hope he can get back to his best and then improve on that (after all he was only a 2nd year player - not exactly bordering on becoming a great player). It would be great if he could find some form and help improve our midfield, but to do that, he will definitely need to surpass his 2011 self.

Sadly, i doubt that he will be able to, as he has lost whatever pace and burst of speed he had. Sure people can blame and put hope in the fact he had a foot problem, but surely it can't have gone unnoticed for all of the 2 years where he was stuck in reverse with form and pace.

I think your forgetting the Neeld factor. His coaching really impacted Trenners ability.

Massive. Needs to change body shape - no definition - no lean muscle - Look at how Brock changed shape and assisted his revival.

I'll answer this!! Trengove is not important at all. Slooooow players are surplus to needs Similar to Toumpas,

Package both up and trade as aggressively for quick smart midfielders like ah Dangerfield! Or someone else!

Trenners needs to model his game in Sam Mitchell... Slow but a great distributor and extractor.

I'll answer this!! Trengove is not important at all. Slooooow players are surplus to needs Similar to Toumpas,

Package both up and trade as aggressively for quick smart midfielders like ah Dangerfield! Or someone else!

Bring in Juice with his explosive speed?

I'll answer this!! Trengove is not important at all. Slooooow players are surplus to needs Similar to Toumpas,

Package both up and trade as aggressively for quick smart midfielders like ah Dangerfield! Or someone else!

Yet you said this was fantasy in the Dangerfield thread...

Tongue in cheek my friend!

Trenners needs to model his game in Sam Mitchell... Slow but a great distributor and extractor.

It's funny how any one who is slow needs to model themselves on Mitchell.

What people fail to mention is that Mitchell is amazing with his sidestep, agility to move in any direction and be balanced to kick on either feet.

His range/point of attack gives him options and time.

Not sure Trengove has that.

I would like to see him become a Jimmy Bartel

How important ? Hardly at all

Now , think first. Anything he can add , if back to his best , is a little bit of icing , but if I read the gist to mean is it imprtant in the sense of would we/ can we without him, then of course we can so he's hardly a pillar of our progress

Quite frankly ive already written him off.

Therefore anything is a bonus.

Trenners isnt crucial to our forward progress.

His biggest problem was Mark Neeld, Trengove was the most effected by Neeld. He took it on himself to implement Neelds defensive came and it stuffed him, he became a robot and lost his ability to play football. He has never been quick but he knew where to run and he could run all day, he lost that he ran to the spot he was told to run to and lost his ability to read the game.

The year off is best the best thing for him, hopefully he can be re-programmed to what he was prior to Neeld

i doubt he lost his ability to play in that time... I'm more worried that he was playing with injury for too long...

If the rumour about Neeld forcing Jurrah to punch a punching bag with injured hands are true? Then its believable to think he may have pressure Jack to play sore...

I wonder if we will ever really know the extent of the Neeld doings ?

I wonder if we will ever really know the extent of the Neeld doings ?

If he returns to play some good football next year, then it will be pretty clear. I wish him the best. Still only 23 as well.

If he returns to play some good football next year, then it will be pretty clear. I wish him the best. Still only 23 as well.

dont get me wrong....IF...he could even get back to where he was when drafted... a big plus. I rate him. ....just..........

No more important than the improvement of Michie, Viney, Tyson, Toumpas, JKH, Barry, Watts, Salem, Kent, McDonald, Gawn and Hogan. For us as a club to move up the ladder it isn't about Trengove, it is about him and all his mates around the same age improving.

i like this post, it highlights the fact that we have some promising young players on our list. Aside from those mentioned (and Trengove) we have Harmes, King, Hunt, Evans, Fitzpatrick, Howe, McKenzie, Strauss, Jetta and Georgiou all born in the '90s (23 players total). Sure i have my doubts about some of them, but then, this time last year i doubted none more than Jetta (well, Nicholson and Tapscott, but they are gone now).

Like many here, i am pleasantly optimistic that we finally have the right people and environment at our club for these young players to flourish.

Foot injuries can seriously impact your speed and particularly your initial push off, and I know this from experience.

Hopefully he has shaken it and can get at least a bit of explosiveness back in his game and become a contributor.

I really like the bloke and want him to succeed, but if the club think his foot is stuffed then they should trade him. He would still have some perceived value on the trade table.

Still have faith that a fit Trengove can be a real gun.

Sort of see him as a Luke Ball, Lenny Hayes type player.

Also, I always get the feeling he loves the club and wants to see it rise. Given where a lot of players heads are at the last few years this is something we need a lot more of...

Before he was diagnosed with his foot condition, how long had it been since he was at his best?

2011 was a good year for him. So that would be 2 years before he injured his foot, 3 years in total up until now. 3 years is a long time in football.

To be frank, he has been woeful since the end of 2011, even with his injuries and all (not what one would have hoped from a #2 draft pick).

I hope he can get back to his best and then improve on that (after all he was only a 2nd year player - not exactly bordering on becoming a great player). It would be great if he could find some form and help improve our midfield, but to do that, he will definitely need to surpass his 2011 self.

Sadly, i doubt that he will be able to, as he has lost whatever pace and burst of speed he had. Sure people can blame and put hope in the fact he had a foot problem, but surely it can't have gone unnoticed for all of the 2 years where he was stuck in reverse with form and pace.

Hopefully he will regain his pace. His sister is a runner it's in their genes.

Did he ever have pace? I watched some of his U18 highlights recently and he looked pretty slow even then. He did seem to have greater acceleration though. That's what I'm hoping to see. If he can become stronger, improve his lateral movement and become more explosive he might just improve us. This thread might just break the record for the most uses of the word 'hope'. When it comes to Trengove it appears all we can really do is hope.

Simon Godfrey will be remembered as a better player.

Trenners best position is at the bottom of the pack. He isn't quick at all, but people forget he has elite endurance and was a very skillful player.

It all depends on how he heals. Could still be used in a possession gathering tagger role similar to crossy.

His resurgence is more of a bonus for us than anything else. We will be aggressive at the trade table so we will have a very different looking list next season which should help us climb the ladder.

amazing to think he was considered the second best player in his draft behind scully.

so many - more than just dusty - have gone past these two blokes it ain't funny.

Very Crucial.

Enough said.

Managing to fit a tautology within that post shows serious skill.

Redundant intensifier.

Trenners needs to model his game in Sam Mitchell... Slow but a great distributor and extractor.

To model your game on Sam Mitchell would require the innate vision and disposal skills that I reckon sets him alone in the AFL. Greg Williams and Brian Wilson had it, but BW was flakey. JT isn't at that level.

I actually think he needs to get bigger so he can play as a genuine inside mid. Slimming down will cost him in the contest and he isn't quick enough to play as an outside player.

I agree. His go is an in an under mid who starts in the centre. He's got good hands, good vision and reads the ball well.

His pace is only a worry in so far as it is an issue across the team. Whilst you def need a few players with genuine pace (eg Jetta) and a good number who are pretty quick (eg Cunningham) pace you don't need all players to be quick. Have a look at all the top teams - they have a blend.

A good comparison would be Priddis - one of the best in and under accumulators in the league who as he pointed out himself on Brownlow night is slow as a wet week