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49 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This aged well.

Still butchers the ball alot, happy with our midfield mix.

Nothing to see here.

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    Not losing any sleep about what I said 3, yes 3 years ago. 

    This whole ‘you should have known the future’ routine is getting a bit trite. 

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    9 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

    Am I being hasty here or might we have stuffed our early draft pick up in 2013? 😄

    Stuffed it up is an understatement! Totally obliterated it is more on the mark! Contratulations at any rate, he had a great year, BUT.. Oliver is a better player IMO

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    8 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

    Still butchers the ball alot, happy with our midfield mix.

    Nothing to see here.

    But the best butchers always deliver the choicest cuts!

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    9 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

    If we take Wines we may not get Petracca or Oliver.

    Things turned out ok in the end.

    Que sera, sera 😇

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    Picking Toumpas over Wines will always go down in history as one of the bigger drafting stuff ups by the club, but as many have said here it's a sliding doors moment for the club. If he comes to us maybe we're better in the short term but don't get the opportunity to have the mix we have now.

    Well done to him, he's had an excellent year.

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    I wish I had access to Rexie to find out things...

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    Wouldn’t have got 3 votes in big hometown Prelim. 
    Other than GF - only thing that matters in footy and all I care about

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    23 minutes ago, Pates said:

    Picking Toumpas over Wines will always go down in history as one of the bigger drafting stuff ups by the club, but as many have said here it's a sliding doors moment for the club. If he comes to us maybe we're better in the short term but don't get the opportunity to have the mix we have now.

    Well done to him, he's had an excellent year.

    I see an alternate reality where we nailed some of those picks, even taking Martin over one of Trengove/Scully. But we fail to develop these players to the point that they're at (or have been) and end up a mid-tier side for the next twenty years... making finals every second or third year but failing to have any kind of impact. That would suck too.

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    4 minutes ago, Luther said:

    I see an alternate reality where we nailed some of those picks, even taking Martin over one of Trengove/Scully. But we fail to develop these players to the point that they're at (or have been) and end up a mid-tier side for the next twenty years... making finals every second or third year but failing to have any kind of impact. That would suck too.

    Dustin Martin at our club at that time...

    He probably went to the right place at the right time.

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    My Radio 📻 was never the same after we failed to recruit Wines. 
    I almost walked away at that stage. It showed that the Club, at that stage had no idea what it was doing 

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    34 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    My Radio 📻 was never the same after we failed to recruit Wines. 
    I almost walked away at that stage. It showed that the Club, at that stage had no idea what it was doing 

    …and the Saints review McCartin over Trac

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    35 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    My Radio 📻 was never the same after we failed to recruit Wines. 
    I almost walked away at that stage. It showed that the Club, at that stage had no idea what it was doing 

    Yet you're on record here as believing that Toumpas was going to be a top player

    So which story are we meant to believe?

    You're in the same category as many others here though.  We even had a poll here where nearly 70% favoured Toumpas

    Mind you, we also had a poll here once where 97% of people wanted Neeld to continue on and see out his contract (after his first year)

     

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    Toumpas was widely viewed across AFL as top prospect 

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    3 minutes ago, Macca said:

    Yet you're on record here as believing that Toumpas was going to be a top player

    So which story are we meant to believe?

    You're in the same category as many others here though.  We even had a poll here where nearly 70% favoured Toumpas

    Mind you, we also had a poll here once where 97% of people wanted Neeld to continue on and see out his contract (after his first year)

     

    And you are on record (ad Nauseum) that the draft means nothing 

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    3 minutes ago, radar said:

    Toumpas was widely viewed across AFL as top prospect 

    There is no question about that and never was (apart from the mutterings of the harry hindsight types)

    But the AFL sorts out a lot of draftees.  I'd class it as a completely different sport to under 18 footy where the threat of real violence is quite diminished as compared to the big league. 

    And the pace of the AFL is something else as well.  If you're not quick, you need to be a very talented player or very clever

    It's a tough sport, not for everyone

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    8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    And you are on record (ad Nauseum) that the draft means nothing 

    Ha ha ha!

    You need to learn how to read properly

    The draft is flawed and most supporters know that ... except you it seems

    So much so that the club was prepared to risk 3 x first round draft picks to acquire Lever & May

    And you lambasted the club for doing so ... how do you feel now? 

    Changed your mind?

     

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    from my memory it was more of a surprise that toumpas fell out of the top 3; he was regarded as an elite prospect, and was more highly regarded than o'rourke or plowman who went at 2 and 3

    worth remembering that they are effectively finished as afl players as well

    in fact, if you look at the 2012 top 20 it's a real miss more so than a hit:

    1. lachie whitfield - hit
    2. jonathan o'rourke - miss
    3. lachie plowman - miss
    4. jimmy toumpas - miss
    5. jake stringer - hit
    6. jack macrae - hit
    7. ollie wines - hit
    8. sam mayes - miss
    9. nick vlastuin - hit
    10. joe daniher - father-son (arguably a miss)
    11. troy menzel - miss
    12. kristian jaksch - miss
    13. jesse lonergan - miss
    14. aidan corr - hit
    15. taylor garner - miss
    16. jackson thurlow - miss
    17. josh simpson - miss
    18. brodie grundy - hit
    19. ben kennedy - miss
    20. tim broomhead - miss
    21. nathan hrovat - miss
    22. dean towers - miss
    23. marco paparone - miss

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    20 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

    from my memory it was more of a surprise that toumpas fell out of the top 3; he was regarded as an elite prospect, and was more highly regarded than o'rourke or plowman who went at 2 and 3

    worth remembering that they are effectively finished as afl players as well

    in fact, if you look at the 2012 top 20 it's a real miss more so than a hit:

    1. lachie whitfield - hit
    2. jonathan o'rourke - miss
    3. lachie plowman - miss
    4. jimmy toumpas - miss
    5. jake stringer - hit
    6. jack macrae - hit
    7. ollie wines - hit
    8. sam mayes - miss
    9. nick vlastuin - hit
    10. joe daniher - father-son (arguably a miss)
    11. troy menzel - miss
    12. kristian jaksch - miss
    13. jesse lonergan - miss
    14. aidan corr - hit
    15. taylor garner - miss
    16. jackson thurlow - miss
    17. josh simpson - miss
    18. brodie grundy - hit
    19. ben kennedy - miss
    20. tim broomhead - miss
    21. nathan hrovat - miss
    22. dean towers - miss
    23. marco paparone - miss

    Hell of a lot of missed opportunities there ... but most years are similar and sometimes the draft is an absolute gold mine

    But as you've pointed out, 2012 was a stinker especially at the very top and in the 11-23 range

    So either the recruiters are incompetant or the draft is flawed.  Logic will give you your answer if the same sort of pattern happens year by year

    Development is a very big factor too

    But I compare it all to 2yo prospects in horse racing.  All the great breeding in the world often doesn't matter if the horse can't run fast (or gets injured)

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    Who the heck is Aidan Corr?

    Nothing against Jimmy T but even I said pick Wines.  I f we had though perhaps we would have not picked Oliver....

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    1 hour ago, Macca said:

    Yet you're on record here as believing that Toumpas was going to be a top player

    So which story are we meant to believe?

    You're in the same category as many others here though.  We even had a poll here where nearly 70% favoured Toumpas

    Mind you, we also had a poll here once where 97% of people wanted Neeld to continue on and see out his contract (after his first year)

     

    Macca, I went on record when Toupas name was first being mentioned as NEVER wanting him at Dees. He ran like a duck and could hardly get contested ball. Similarly when Neeld got the coaching gig I almost walked away then. Many on this site disagreed and history has now proven that some terrible decisions were made by administration of the time

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    3 hours ago, Pates said:

    Picking Toumpas over Wines will always go down in history as one of the bigger drafting stuff ups by the club, but as many have said here it's a sliding doors moment for the club. If he comes to us maybe we're better in the short term but don't get the opportunity to have the mix we have now.

    Well done to him, he's had an excellent year.

    Still a long way distant to the EPIC catastrophe that was Richard Tambling over Buddy Franklin.

    That was a blunder of historic proportions

     

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    If only we could see into the future, we would never get a draft pick wrong

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