I was going to take the same approach but could only come up with Jones, Tyson, Viney and Jetta - who I would classify as not expendable - Gawn would be close. The rest well we can't get rid of all of them, so the inexperienced would maybe get some reprieve, though the irony is not lost that conversely we need to keep experience; but I would canvas offers for any of the rest Now I have been a Watt's fan and apologist; but he is an example of someone I would be shopping, and based on today Dawes, and Frawley were equally passionless.

All kids, except Jonesy who is fast approaching the big 27Yrs..... leadership is required, please apply within.

I think we need to add more attacking flair to the game plan

Play Gawn as a number 1 ruck all year Jamar is finished.

As much as Jones bleeds red and blue. We will struggle to keep him next year via Free Agency.

I'll tell you who doesn't go: Nathan Jones

I care not for anyone else at this moment.

A bloke called Daniel Cross was, I'd argue, more important than Jones today. Unfortunately, there were about two others that I cared for. Tyson and Vince. Michie did some good, but other than that...?

If Jones leaves I will actually be done. He's the only reason I have any respect left for this club.

A bloke called Daniel Cross was, I'd argue, more important than Jones today. Unfortunately, there were about two others that I cared for. Tyson and Vince. Michie did some good, but other than that...?

Gawn was reasonable FWIW.

All bar 15 or 20 on the whole list need to be moved on. Some will stay on the list for a year or two longer than expected due to contract length or providing an older head for a year or two.

Is Matt Jones really contracted for a further two years? How does this happen? He has a go and provides more than a few on the list, but is so far short of the required standard it isn't funny.

I think we need to add more attacking flair to the game plan

THIS IS SPOT ON, WE WON GAMES EARLY CAUS THE OPPOSITION WASNT ONTO OUR 1 CARD GAME PLAN, OUR LIST ISNT TO BAD (NO JOKE) MUCH BETTER THAN SAINTS & LIONS, JUST NEED TO TRADE WATTS, FRAWLEY & DAWES CAUS THERE WORTH SOMETHING, COULD GET 3 CONSISTENT SOLDIERS FOR THEM THE REST OF THE LIST WILL LIFT WITH A LITTLE FLAIR FROM THE COACHING

Clark and Byrnes already gone.

Strauss, Blease, Nico, Evans, Clisby. Tapscott a possibility.

I don't think it's just a matter of who is gone, it's a matter of who holds some value with trades and makes us a better team after the trade period.

The first to go, and I hate saying this as this board unfairly scrutinises him, is Watts. He has value with top 8 teams and hopefully we can raid a good consistent player. Watts just can't perform consistently. Goldsack for Watts is a possibility

Frawley is someone we should force to leave. Why? Because a first round pick is on offer we can trade that pick out for a Mitchell plus Reid type trade. I think the club is ripe to force the hand of Sydney with the Buddy/Tippett/etc/etc deals. Roos and his influence and history at Sydney will help with this type of trade.

Malceski is another I hope we trade for (3 or 4th rounder). This type of trade is a sweetener for the club arising from the Pick 3 trade.

Others with some value are Garland and Grimes. Grimes maybe our captain, but his skills stand out in a team like the MFC.

Jack Fitz is another who may get us another fringe player at another club. The Bullies may trade with us here.

If the club can get Reid, Mitchell, Goldsack and Malceski, we are a better team.

Bah ha ha ha Goldsack for Watts? Please go and see a Doctor Quick, Delusion is setting in!

Grimes is a liability in the team not just as Captain!! Skills???? he is the turnover king!

I dont want to see Frawley wear the MFC jumper again. 4 kicks today wtf? His meant to be a leader. I want him gone, compensation or not. He is part of whats wrong with our club.

If Grimes is still captain next year I ain't renewing.....he isn't a captains little finger.

Goldsack performs! Watts does very occasionally. The club needs performance.

C,mon Pickett Fence, your roses are dead and you need to re plant.

The sad thing is the players who we've been calling for ie: Mckenzie, blease, terlich, Evans, Nicholson etc weren't out there today...

Who's gone?

My list would be

M jones

Strauss

Tapscott

Blease

Evans

Nicholson

Frawley

Fitzpatrick

Goldsack performs! Watts does very occasionally. The club needs performance.

C,mon Pickett Fence, your roses are dead and you need to re plant.

Look, I agree, but can you ever imagine in a Tangerine nightmare Dream or Freddy Kruger dream nightmare, that Collingwood would agree to that swap??

He has held off contract talks. Give him good money, it's a possibility.

Who's gone?

My list would be

M jones

Strauss

Tapscott

Blease

Evans

Nicholson

Frawley

Fitzpatrick

Good start

Add Grimes, Dawes Barry Watts ......... Michie & Riley on the edge

He has held off contract talks. Give him good money, it's a possibility.

Not likely, any potential trade/FA target would not come to this club if they saw today's game

Il probably cop it for this but stuff it.

Jimmy Toumpas copped it last year for his performance which wasn't as bad as it was made out to be.

Christian salem has played 11 games and has shown nothing exce kick the winning goal. He struggles to win the ball and looks way out of his depth.

Toumpas showed promise last year and ability to win the ball yet he is regarded as a wasted pick.

To me Salem hasn't showed why he was a safe pick at pick 9.

Lets just hope it was just lack of pre season..

Just on my last post. A Backline consisting of

Jetta McDonald, Dunn

Malceski, Reid, Cross/Howe

Provides a good level of skills, experience, height and age spread.

I'm sorry but you simply cannot have McDonald and skills in the same field.

My cut list...

Jamar: past it. Been a good servant.

Mckenzie: out and out dud. No skills. I dont care if he's a rated tagger. Doesn't ever get in the firsts to tag anyway.

Trengove: yes he's out injured but he does not cut it when he is out there. Doesn't do enough. Too slow for modern footy.

Grimes: inability to effect games and doesn't lead like a captain...period.

Watts: Does not want to put in 2nd efforts, chase, back himself,show aggression for himself or his teammates.

Blease: Not willing to work hard to win his spot in the firsts. Goes missing when he gets in.

Tapscott: finished. Overated and doesn't impact games.

Bail. Try's but that's not enough in today's game. Another who doesn't impact and frequently gets manhandled because of his small frame.

Spencer: simply not going to make it.

Trade em up Roosy. It's time to make hard decisions that are required.

Il probably cop it for this but stuff it.

Jimmy Toumpas copped it last year for his performance which wasn't as bad as it was made out to be.

Christian salem has played 11 games and has shown nothing exce kick the winning goal. He struggles to win the ball and looks way out of his depth.

Toumpas showed promise last year and ability to win the ball yet he is regarded as a wasted pick.

To me Salem hasn't showed why he was a safe pick at pick 9.

Lets just hope it was just lack of pre season..

Agree, and this is going to annoy 'Sat' but it's time for Salem to get interested in watching as much AFL as he can even at the expense of his EPL. The kids got talent, now he has to work for it.

Dawes needs a rocket and/or be traded out. He's not in our team as the small defensive forward which is a role he seems to relish.

Lead at the ball Chris, mark the ball Chris and kick it to advantage and quickly if you're not having a shot.

I'm not convinced by Kent yet, seems a dumb footballer to me.

The kids may need some time but of the more established players Tyson (30+) games and established that's a joke in itself, and Jones are keepers, probably big Max but worry about his knee, Vince and Cross...the rest can go.

The sooner Frawley is gone the better, compensation will be interesting...

If Jones leaves I will actually be done. He's the only reason I have any respect left for this club.

is it wrong of me to wish Jones would leave so he could have success at another club? God knows he deserves it