Sign on the dotted line fellas, u r gunna be here for a while.

Sign on the dotted line fellas, u r gunna be here for a while.

Are they?

Probably just a quick cash grab for both of them to be honest

If Roos and Jackson leave before the job is done (and the job is getting us to the level of a competent AFL club able to compete with other clubs) then we will be worse of than we were before they signed on and the club might as well fold (there may not be a choice).

You actually talked a lot of jibberish about upturned cars and contextualising so I wasn't sure what point you were making. What do you think the club should do?

I would like these two to define their roles over the next few years.

But what has happened over the past 3 games is not the disaster some are making it out to be, and the job of these two remains the same as it did a month ago.

Tacitly blaming these two for their vague timelines of their own involvement for what we see before us - which is what this thread is about - is shallow thinking.

We would be this bad with or without Roos - we don't have talent, confidence, or a forward line.

We are all starting to figure that out aren't we?

I hope that wasn't jibberish, 'rjay.'

Its not doom and gloom yet. We played well against the saints, Roos plan looked good.

Carlton next week. They are the second worst team in the comp.

This is it.

I would like these two to define their roles over the next few years.

But what has happened over the past 3 games is not the disaster some are making it out to be, and the job of these two remains the same as it did a month ago.

Tacitly blaming these two for their vague timelines of their own involvement for what we see before us - which is what this thread is about - is shallow thinking.

We would be this bad with or without Roos - we don't have talent, confidence, or a forward line.

We are all starting to figure that out aren't we?

Of course it's a disaster, supporters are dropping off like flies and future supporters aren't even gonna give us a second look. Some who may have held off to see how we would go before signing up as members would have made up their minds by now and there is every chance we will see the first sub-10K crowd since Fitzroy when we play Gold Coast on Easter Sunday.

t's not about blaming them either, it's about leadership and commitment. It's great for you that you are able to reason everything away with flippant condescension meanwhile the club is bleeding.

Of course it's a disaster, supporters are dropping off like flies and future supporters aren't even gonna give us a second look. Some who may have held off to see how we would go before signing up as members would have made up their minds by now and there is every chance we will see the first sub-10K crowd since Fitzroy when we play Gold Coast on Easter Sunday.

t's not about blaming them either, it's about leadership and commitment. It's great for you that you are able to reason everything away with flippant condescension meanwhile the club is bleeding.

We had 9,000ish at a Port Adelaide game at the 'G a few years ago, but I agree.

7000 for the match today is pathetic. The AFL are so, so misguided if they think they stand a chance in the Western Sydney market.

7000 for the match today is pathetic. The AFL are so, so misguided if they think they stand a chance in the Western Sydney market.

It's all about TV mate. That's what measures success...in todays world.

Well the ratings for the Dees / WC match last week were the lowest of the year if I'm right. Says a lot about how unmarketable we are.

Well the ratings for the Dees / WC match last week were the lowest of the year if I'm right. Says a lot about how unmarketable we are.

we don't represent Western Sydney.

I agree to a point but I think the saviour belief, if it still exists in the playing group, will be well and truly gone by the end of the year.

Them both committing to 3 years shows they aren't just going to cut and run before the job is done and tells the playing group there will be stability for the next three years. That one year will make a big difference.

I hope it means that the MFC won't tolerate sub-par performances for the next 3 years, guaranteed. PJ and PR should apply the blowtorch to the whole playing group and see who makes it out the other end.

If he doesn't then he will be negligent in his duty. Three years will be an absolute minimum with the way things are going.

His duty is to serve his contract, which is two years. He has no duty beyond that whatsoever.

I don't care about Roos and Jackson committing for more than the next two years - I'd be more worried about getting the players to commit, to be honest.

I don't care about Roos and Jackson committing for more than the next two years - I'd be more worried about getting the players to commit, to be honest.

The immediate problem is the players mentally committing to not being utter crap. I don't thinks its all doom and gloom but the first step for us is the playing group being able to dig deep and do so consistently.

I don't care about Roos and Jackson committing for more than the next two years - I'd be more worried about getting the players to commit, to be honest.

you're kidding? we have 3-4 players that i'd lose sleep over losing, Viney, Hogan, Tyson, and Jones, some good young players in Salem, Toumpas, Kennedy-harris

this list needs to be delisted and totally start again keeping those 7 players imo

I would like these two to define their roles over the next few years.

But what has happened over the past 3 games is not the disaster some are making it out to be, and the job of these two remains the same as it did a month ago.

Tacitly blaming these two for their vague timelines of their own involvement for what we see before us - which is what this thread is about - is shallow thinking.

We would be this bad with or without Roos - we don't have talent, confidence, or a forward line.

We are all starting to figure that out aren't we?

I hope that wasn't jibberish, 'rjay.'

No, that's good. I wasn't clear on what you were getting at earlier.

I'm not blaming these 2 at all for their timelines but I do think it would help the club if we had a longer term commitment. I must admit to being surprised at the depth of the problem and thought the list could at least be competitive under Roos. I was wrong.

For the club to survive, and I do believe now we are in serious danger then I think PJ and Roos need to make a commitment to getting the club on track. A time commitment of at least until the end of 2016 would help stabilise things and give a little breathing space.

I agree that Roos should sit down and think about what he wants to do in the future - if he doesn't want to coach beyond 2016 that is fine, but keeping him in a role similar to John Elway at the Denver Broncos (sorry to inject the US sports into this).

We need his expertise and the unifying force of someone of his ilk.

I don't think we are in danger of not surviving, but I agree that the commitment of someone of Roos' ilk is necessary in the immediate term, and likely necessary in the medium term until the list is back to being moderately healthy.

I agree that Roos should sit down and think about what he wants to do in the future - if he doesn't want to coach beyond 2016 that is fine, but keeping him in a role similar to John Elway at the Denver Broncos (sorry to inject the US sports into this).

We need his expertise and the unifying force of someone of his ilk.

I don't think we are in danger of not surviving, but I agree that the commitment of someone of Roos' ilk is necessary in the immediate term, and likely necessary in the medium term until the list is back to being moderately healthy.

But what's the next step if Roos decides not to extend his contract beyond two years and we are left with an unsatisfactory arrangement with the successor coach?

Roos was regarded as the best option by many on here so once the best option has been exhausted, what happens? What will the AFL think if Roos fulfills his 2 years and we're still a steaming pile of fecal matter?

I think about 26 players on our list are salvageable, that would include upgrading Harmes to the main list. There will probably be a few retirements at the end of the year and about 8-10 players culled. This all means that Roos will earn his money during the free trade and draft period. Mitch Clark is probably gone! Byrnes will retire. Players like Bail, Terlich, Tapscott etc. will be traded, delisted or sent tithe reserves if they are still contracted.Frawley will gito the Hawks. There may be a couple who request a trade back to heir home states.

Maybe the saviour is just another craven image.

You would have to be mad to stay at Melbourne for any other reason bar the money

Tanking for skinny kids has left us where we are.

At this years draft we need to bring in almost all senior players.

The club cannot afford anymore waiting even if we should.

Supporters even on here are dropping off.

Winning is now so foriegn to us.

We just have to be winning some games to keep interest and hope.

We have 5 year players who are no better than a first game rookie.

They are not going to make it.

It's all about TV mate. That's what measures success...in todays world.

I doubt there was 7000 watching wyl.

All the GWS supporters we at the ground and I doubt more than 7000 dees fans with foxtel bothered to tune in.