It's pretty obvious from todays performance if it wasn't already, that we need to get a long term commitment from PJ & Roos if this club is to be turned around.

The idea that they can walk in for a couple of years and wave a magic wand is laughable. This is a serious sport and it needs to be taken seriously by those in charge including the AFL. Stop gap measures were taken by Jimmy and his board bringing the likes of G Lyon in on a part time basis working with a paralysed board and an incompetent CEO.

We will need further AFL assistance to bail out our financial position and including the PP we didn't get last year plus another for this year.

A full time commitment from all involved is what's needed, not a hand over...there will be nothing to hand over.

We either get this commitment or I really can't see us surviving.

I tend to agree. Hopefully Roos relishes the challenge and decides to sign for 4 years, and all required players such as Frawley and Hogan can follow suit. PJ also.

Unfortunately, I don't think this will happen.

the only thing worse than the club folding would be Roos putting in 3 years and the side getting nowhere, it's hard to tell if we are dragging out the inevitable or if there is genunley some hope, it's a real worry when even the most loyal supporters are now having serious doubt about if senior officials are really committed to the cause

I couldn't agree more, this really isn't a quick fix solution and the players aren't going to committ if the leaders of the club don't. Fair enough have your exit strategy in place for three years time but this club needs long term stability to crawl itself out of this hole.

Bartlett has to stand tall now. This is a long haul.

Don't know if I want the current players to commit as they are the problem, blokes like Frawley are trying to hold the club to ransom, they need to buy a mirror and have a good hard look at the bloke staring back at them, as they are as big a part of the problem as anything currently. I am almost in the camp where we let these players go as we are going nowhere as long as we pander to them in the remote hope that suddenly they will find some passion, pride, effort and ability. The very least we deserve is a team that has a crack every week but to be brutally honest that hasn't really happened for almost a decade and is not likely to change with the current crop of players. The lack of pride shown in the jumper is only surpassed by an obvious lack of pride in their personal performance.

I hope Roos and Jackson do commit but this rubbish will only stop when we have a generational change in players and unfortunately I don't know that the club has that long.

After yet another loss it is hard not to be wound up but even after a bit of a come down it is pretty obvious that we need commitment now. Until we get it from both PJ and PR we are chasing our tail on and off field. Seriously if we don't make inroads this year then were [censored].

The succession plan has bothered me from the start. You can't have the most influential figures of your club planning to get out before it's even started. Doesn't fill me with any confidence anyway.

No, we don't need to extend Roos! We need to sack him! Sack the coach!

No, we don't need to extend Roos! We need to sack him! Sack the coach!

Nah, Roos knows what he is doing, it will take time.

Roos and PJ really do need to commit, I've never said that before - but these players need stability.

Roos, if he hasn't already and it's highly possible he has, needs to stop thinking this is Sydney in 2002.
People talk about how he 'turned around' the Swans and this is partly true as he changed them from a good to a great team.
However, keep in mind that he took over a team that had been in September the year before and been in the finals 5 of the previous 6 years. They weren't spuds. The coach wasn't bad (as Rocket Eade would prove when he took a year off then moved to the Dogs). The coach had become overly conservative and had started caring more about his own job and the players felt stifled. Roos was the breath of fresh air needed. A lot of the spade work had been done before he arrived (in fact it had started in 1993 when Barassi took over as coach).
What Roosy needs to realize is that now HE is doing the spade work and it can take a bloody long time. It took Bob Walls a good five years to get the then Bears anywhere near respectable. We are basically in their position now.
Roosy needs to dig in for the long haul. It doesn't matter how talented he thinks he is. There is no way he is turning this around in 2 years and it will be grossly unfair to hand it all over to a successor when things have barely evolved on the playing front.

No, we don't need to extend Roos! We need to sack him! Sack the coach!

Must admit it is a nice change that instead of calling for the coach's head, we want them to extend their stay. Sadly, this only because I think we all realise now what a long fix this football club is, and the ramifications we might see if this regime can't get us going in the right direction.

You can't have the most influential figures of your club planning to get out before it's even started.

Bingo.

Sends a terrible signal to all.

Im not seeing any improvement so far , under Roos, and he's only got next year to go.

Itll be ten years before this Rabble gets anywhere, needs an entire turnover of the list.

It makes we wonder what karmic debt Dee supporters are repaying. Perhaps in past lives we were mass murders or even worse, Collingwood cheer squad members.

this pledge per win idea isn't gunna cost us much atm

The problem is who would want to be the successor or CEO of this club after Roos and PJ? the way we are playing at the moment I would think most assistant coaches would say no to the possession. If we don't turn things around by the seasons end then we won't find a successor in 2 years.

The problem is who would want to be the successor or CEO of this club after Roos and PJ? the way we are playing at the moment I would think most assistant coaches would say no to the possession. If we don't turn things around by the seasons end then we won't find a successor in 2 years.

Drafting the RIGHT players is the only way we will turn this around

It makes we wonder what karmic debt Dee supporters are repaying. Perhaps in past lives we were mass murders or even worse, Collingwood cheer squad members.

It is preordained that the righteous suffer in life. Our suffering will reap rewards in the afterlife. The evil reap their reward on Earth and are damned for eternity afterwards. Feel better now?

There is a lingering anxiety that Roos' got sucked in to the Melbourne Football Club Messiah syndrome.

From the small things - today's game, Frawley kicks a goal early in the final quarter where it turns out all the other players were getting around him to thank him for taking the responsibility off them (or something psychologically dysfunctional to the same effect)

To the big things - THIS new ceo/president/benefactor/draft pick/VFL alliance/club facility will really turn our club around.

But, if Roos successfully moves the club to some kind of dignity over the course of this season, and facilitates the recruitment of a quality, long-term committed successor coach, then his job really is done.

That was his job description. Restore dignity, establish a good football department, recruit and prepare a quality long-term successor coach.

He doesn't need to make a long-term commitment for that. He'll either succeed or fail in 2-3 years with the club.

The problem is who would want to be the successor or CEO of this club after Roos and PJ? the way we are playing at the moment I would think most assistant coaches would say no to the possession. If we don't turn things around by the seasons end then we won't find a successor in 2 years.

Will be an opportunity for a 3rd rate coach to make big bucks though.

There is a lingering anxiety that Roos' got sucked in to the Melbourne Football Club Messiah syndrome.

From the small things - today's game, Frawley kicks a goal early in the final quarter where it turns out all the other players were getting around him to thank him for taking the responsibility off them (or something psychologically dysfunctional to the same effect)

To the big things - THIS new ceo/president/benefactor/draft pick/VFL alliance/club facility will really turn our club around.

But, if Roos successfully moves the club to some kind of dignity over the course of this season, and facilitates the recruitment of a quality, long-term committed successor coach, then his job really is done.

That was his job description. Restore dignity, establish a good football department, recruit and prepare a quality long-term successor coach.

He doesn't need to make a long-term commitment for that. He'll either succeed or fail in 2-3 years with the club.

I'm not sure that job description is going to work. The dignity part is really dead in the water now, as for future coach????

I'm wondering if Roos is shaking his head in private at the enormity of the situation.

Roos looks tired and over it already in the presser tonight. THey have to commit - if they dont how can they ask the members to?

Paul ROos and Mick Malthouse both over-estimated the quality of their lists.