None of those has had a season of AFL footy as promising as Jones' 2013.

I'd argue Trengove's first year was better than Jones'.

His second year most certainly was.

Edited March 1, 201412 yr by Hannibal

Even though there is cause for hope for the first time in a long time, I am going into Round 1 with absolutely no expectations.

Id advise everyone else to do the same

Still excited though

Omg. I am.

I want your namesake to dominate!

I have high expectations.

Thought the saints had recruited neeldy based on How they went last night, and I reckon we are some way ahead of gws for the moment so look out

I'd argue Trengove's first year was better than Jones'.

His second year most certainly was.

As I said, perhaps I am being tough on Trengove. Higher expectations might have crept in to that analysis.

The point is that whether Matt Jones is 6th or 7th in line right now is irrelevant, he is in the mix for the midfield and if Watts and Toumpas want to be thought of ahead of him - they should string some games together the way Matt Jones did last year.

Alexis Georgiou

DUNN!

As I said, perhaps I am being tough on Trengove. Higher expectations might have crept in to that analysis.

You're not being tough, just wrong.

gotta bear in mind with trengove against the cats, he was only on-field with just over half the game.

so to pick up 13 possessions with over 90% efficiency and a fair few score involvements is actually really great.

I'm excited heading in to round 1 for sure. Half decent coach, new players, and older players have taken very well to Roos (Neeld rarely ever had the players' imo).

But let's not forget the past 2 years for round 1, we thought we should win. Got done both times by big margins. So i will reserve celebrating a win, when the final siren goes. But not before then.

Not sure that we would win either of those games but agree So i will reserve celebrating a win, when the final siren goes. But not before then.

gotta bear in mind with trengove against the cats, he was only on-field with just over half the game.

so to pick up 13 possessions with over 90% efficiency and a fair few score involvements is actually really great.

I didn't realise that, fair call.

Bruce - was BOG first 3 weeks and early Brownlow favourite then was driven into the ground by a Guerra tackle in the opening minutes, did his shoulder and never really regained that form for the rest of his career.

Exactly correct Dr G. I spoke with his father about that a few years later.

I didn't realise that, fair call.

so did you watch the game or just make your comment after reviewing the stats

You're not being tough, just wrong.

Trengove was certainly behind Jones after their respective 2013 seasons.

I am waiting for Trengove to demand he be talked about with Nathan Jones, Vince, and Cross in the same way Viney established himself last year and Tyson looks set to do this year.

Trengove was certainly behind Jones after their respective 2013 seasons.

I am waiting for Trengove to demand he be talked about with Nathan Jones, Vince, and Cross in the same way Viney established himself last year and Tyson looks set to do this year.

Agreed.

i was merely responding to your declaration that Trengove had never had a year to match Jones 2013, which wasn't correct.

This club desperately needs Trengove to fulfill his potential. I reckon he has a lot of talent and he now has an environment for it to flourish.

Does anyone know if the practice game next sat against the hawks is on TV?

It should be on the Dees websites once its completed like last year when we played the saint down at Casey.

I don't want to speak to soon but considering the Saints got smashed by the Giants in the NAB game yesterday it looks like the old St.Kilda team we have seen dominant over the past few years are over. They have been slowly sliding down the ladder over the past 2 years and I think this season they will hit rock bottom.

I know its only a NAB game but you shouldn't be losing by that much 2 weeks before the new season if your going to be competitive at the start.

They could be the 2014 wooden spooners

But I'm sure there are people on here who will argue against that.

This is an away game so should I buy a ticket now or just pay on the night and also I would like to sit with other dees fans, is there an area where this will happen

gotta bear in mind with trengove against the cats, he was only on-field with just over half the game.

so to pick up 13 possessions with over 90% efficiency and a fair few score involvements is actually really great.

According to AFL website he played 76% game time, a bit more than "just over a half". Trengove is a player that needs to find the rhythm of the game.He did that against Richmond but not so much against Geelong who play a more manic offensive and defensive style. He will work hard to lead into space to present and then hand off and then go again. The ground and conditions the other night were not tailor made to that play. He will look alot better on the expanses of the G where he can use his smarts to work into the broader spaces.

I don't want to speak to soon but considering the Saints got smashed by the Giants in the NAB game yesterday it looks like the old St.Kilda team we have seen dominant over the past few years are over. They have been slowly sliding down the ladder over the past 2 years and I think this season they will hit rock bottom.

I know its only a NAB game but you shouldn't be losing by that much 2 weeks before the new season if your going to be competitive at the start.

They could be the 2014 wooden spooners

But I'm sure there are people on here who will argue against that.

I thought Port were a given for bottom last year and Brisbane and the G were not chance the year before. Roos or Roos I would take nothing for granted for Round 1.

I know the NAB cup is rarely an indication of the season proper, but almost every sign points to St Kilda being in a lot of trouble this year. They lost a lot of senior players over the break, they've lost more to injury, and they're just at the start of a re-build with an untested senior coach at the helm. Getting flogged by the Giants wouldn't be doing much for confidence in the playing group either, and Dees fans have seen first-hand how poisonous this can be for team morale.

It's going to be a long few years for the Saints. I would be shocked if they won more than a handful of games this year.

I know the NAB cup is rarely an indication of the season proper, but almost every sign points to St Kilda being in a lot of trouble this year. They lost a lot of senior players over the break, they've lost more to injury, and they're just at the start of a re-build with an untested senior coach at the helm. Getting flogged by the Giants wouldn't be doing much for confidence in the playing group either, and Dees fans have seen first-hand how poisonous this can be for team morale.

It's going to be a long few years for the Saints. I would be shocked if they won more than a handful of games this year.

Good.

Agreed, can't stand the flogs. Will gladly watch any other team in the league suffer miserably without direction for years, just as we have been the laughing stock of other teams for the best part of 5 years.

Agreed, can't stand the flogs. Will gladly watch any other team in the league suffer miserably without direction for years, just as we have been the laughing stock of other teams for the best part of 5 years.

It'll be great to tell them to get stuffed when they go grovelling for a priority pick.

Always had a bit of a soft spot for the Aints being a bayside dweller but they are seriously a very odd club.

I said last year I expected them to slide in 14 and see nothing to dispel this thinking. Much pain awaits this lot.Might cause serious harm as well. Don't take much to cause them to implode.

Their culture has been irrepairably terrible for years. They couldn't have handled all the awful player indiscretions much worse if they tried. And the entire St Kilda schoolgirl incident...

And that ridiculous music video they did last year. Truly bizarre stuff. Not sure what's in the water down bayside way...

Edited March 2, 201412 yr by Lamashtu

I know the NAB cup is rarely an indication of the season proper, but almost every sign points to St Kilda being in a lot of trouble this year. They lost a lot of senior players over the break, they've lost more to injury, and they're just at the start of a re-build with an untested senior coach at the helm. Getting flogged by the Giants wouldn't be doing much for confidence in the playing group either, and Dees fans have seen first-hand how poisonous this can be for team morale.

It's going to be a long few years for the Saints. I would be shocked if they won more than a handful of games this year.

I would be shocked if they won a handful of games this year