Watching the brits get humiliated in the ashes has some similarities with the MFC for mine.

• So bad as to be unbelievable
• Playing beach cricket at the end vs disorganised rabble (MFC)
• Quality players performing poorly
• Unwatchable

Despite the bad playoff loss (which is very MFC) my bad team nomination for us is the 2012/13 Kansas City Chiefs. For those who don't follow NFL they replaced their micromanaging GM with one from a successful organisation and hired a well respected experienced coach and have gone from 2 wins and last to 11 wins and finals.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10232371/kansas-city-sports-agony

Read the stuff in here about Bill Polian - he's like the worst bits of Schwab and Neeld combined.

Some of us are in the unenviable position of being both a Pom and a Demon!

Some of us are in the unenviable position of being both a Pom and a Demon!

Bugger 3183 that's an unfortunate combination.

Enjoy the cricket did we????????????

Watching the brits get humiliated in the ashes has some similarities with the MFC for mine.

• So bad as to be unbelievable
• Playing beach cricket at the end vs disorganised rabble (MFC)
• Quality players performing poorly
• Unwatchable

Please Mono I know we are a hopeless team but comparing us to the poms is just going to far.

It's just not cricket if u ask me!

Despite the bad playoff loss (which is very MFC) my bad team nomination for us is the 2012/13 Kansas City Chiefs. For those who don't follow NFL they replaced their micromanaging GM with one from a successful organisation and hired a well respected experienced coach and have gone from 2 wins and last to 11 wins and finals.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10232371/kansas-city-sports-agony

Read the stuff in here about Bill Polian - he's like the worst bits of Schwab and Neeld combined.

KC then got 28 points up in the play off and choked... Yep, sounds like MFC

KC then got 28 points up in the play off and choked... Yep, sounds like MFC

Would love to get 28 points up and be in a position to choke. Most matches over the past 6 years we have been 28+ points down by half time and the match over.

I would have thought MFC were more like the Australian Cricket team about 10 months ago. They were both at rock bottom at that time.

Most matches over the past 6 years we have been 28+ points down by half time and the match over.

I think I mean 5-10 mins into the first quarter drd.

I know we were really bad...but comparing the MFC with the English cricket team is just NOT ON!!!

"Hogan....13 days in the cooler"

Yep, being a pom I have not had a good summer. My soccer team West Brom has started poorly and just repalced the manager. England will probably do the same as usual at the World cup and scrap through to the quarters before being knocked out by Agentina.

Looking forward to seeing a resurgent Demons and enjoying ging to the footy again.

Bugger 3183 that's an unfortunate combination.

Enjoy the cricket did we????????????

Pah! Rubbish game, anyway.

Yep, being a pom I have not had a good summer. My soccer team West Brom has started poorly and just repalced the manager. England will probably do the same as usual at the World cup and scrap through to the quarters before being knocked out by Agentina.

Looking forward to seeing a resurgent Demons and enjoying ging to the footy again.

Amen to that, brother - if you think the Baggies are bad, try supporting Plymouth Argyle! Only good memories of The Hawthorns, mind you.

This might not be the PC thing to say but I fully expected this thread to be full of whinging.

When you consider they just weren't in the contest at all, and that Cook himself said that if it were a boxing match it would have been stopped well before Day 3 in Sydney, it's hard to disagree. That is Melbourne all over.

Agreed with RR, perhaps better to compare with Australia. A remarkable turn around within 12 months. It can happen.

I would have thought MFC were more like the Australian Cricket team about 10 months ago. They were both at rock bottom at that time.

Like.

There are a number of examples of teams turning things around quickly and it usually coincides with a change of coach. PA last year are a classic example, Adelaide the year before under Sanderson.

Confidence in sport and an enjoyment of doing what you're doing go a long way and I think we are prime candidates for massive improvements in those areas. I truly believe that Roos can have the same impact on this group as Lehmann did on the Aussi cricket team.

My concern is clearly a functioning midfield and perhaps that area of our list can't be repaired in one season. It's fair to say we don't appear to have the raw ingredients that both Adelaide and PA had in that area and that may stifle our improvement . I know I'm on a hiding to nothing but I'm bullish about a significant improvement this year and one which will surprise many.

I wouldn't be too concerned 3183 Dee after all you've had the wood on us for a while.

Every dog has his day and all that.

I would have thought MFC were more like the Australian Cricket team about 10 months ago. They were both at rock bottom at that time.

Agree

Like.

There are a number of examples of teams turning things around quickly and it usually coincides with a change of coach. PA last year are a classic example, Adelaide the year before under Sanderson.

Confidence in sport and an enjoyment of doing what you're doing go a long way and I think we are prime candidates for massive improvements in those areas. I truly believe that Roos can have the same impact on this group as Lehmann did on the Aussi cricket team.

My concern is clearly a functioning midfield and perhaps that area of our list can't be repaired in one season. It's fair to say we don't appear to have the raw ingredients that both Adelaide and PA had in that area and that may stifle our improvement . I know I'm on a hiding to nothing but I'm bullish about a significant improvement this year and one which will surprise many.

I think we have taken some significant steps in this area, add some experienced coaching (Stone & co) and it will at least break even more often than not.

I would have thought MFC were more like the Australian Cricket team about 10 months ago. They were both at rock bottom at that time.

Can someone please check that Rhino hasn't had his identity stolen. This reads like an optimistic post.

I think we have taken some significant steps in this area, add some experienced coaching (Stone & co) and it will at least break even more often than not.

I wish there was a "like" button. I'm cautiously optimistic.

I wish there was a "like" button.

Don't we all.

Don't we all.

How's that?

A team at the bottom is a team at the bottom. Comparing poor performance with poor performance is sort of "duh".

Where I think the 2012-2013 Melbourne FC, the current England and the Australians under Micky Arthur can be compared is in their coaching and training approaches.

Coaching regimes that are overly directive, defence-first, emphasise conservatism and adhere to strict systems in every aspect from fitness to diet, are being shown to fail. Above all, they lack enjoyment, which is what gets players into the game in the first place.

Train hard, but get the enjoyment back into playing the game. Treat players like mature adults with responsibility for their own outcomes. Set standards, but avoid the trivial punishments and 'homework'. Above all, set the first priority to develop confidence rather than fear of failure.

The Poms might have been better off with baked beans rather than quinoa salad.

Kick the poms while they are down I say. BTW could we have those poms who outed themselves above banned from Dland?

Despite the bad playoff loss (which is very MFC) my bad team nomination for us is the 2012/13 Kansas City Chiefs. For those who don't follow NFL they replaced their micromanaging GM with one from a successful organisation and hired a well respected experienced coach and have gone from 2 wins and last to 11 wins and finals.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10232371/kansas-city-sports-agony

Read the stuff in here about Bill Polian - he's like the worst bits of Schwab and Neeld combined.

I'm not going to be able to escape Sunday's horror anywhere am I? It goes instantly into the top 10 most devastating sporting losses I've witnessed. Anyway, we also replaced our weakest on-field area (league-worst Cassel at quarterback) via trade to pick up a solid QB in Smith. Melbourne's midfield was league-worst also, and while it remains to be seen how much it will improve next year, it should be better.

As for England, it was a stunning implosion. They were completely rudderless and wilted under the Australian attack. I thought over in England they were not that much more talented than us but kept winning because they, as a tighter unit, won the big moments consistently. That just made their inept capitulation here more incredible. Well done to Darren Lehmann too - great preparation.