Magner was upgraded to the senior list in August while Clark was placed on the long-term injury list.

He didn't play a senior game subsequent to that.

That tells me that he has been assessed as being capable of playing senior football and the club took the opportunity to see if the likes of Davis, Clisby and Jetta were worthwhile retaining, in lieu of playing him.

We now know the answer for Davis.

Our new coach is adamant about mid-fielders. He has shown his ability in the past to get the absolute maximum out of ordinary players ( Shaw, Richards). So I can't see him throwing away a mid who has shown his ability to get the ball. Roos can work on Magners disposal like he has done with the others.

Roos would have also looked at the VFL finals that Casey played in. Based on the performances it is easy to see why Tynan and Gillies were dropped. (Tynans brother is a better footballer coincidentally!)

Jetta may also have his cards marked with an uninspiring effort. Bail, Nicholson and Evans aren't up to AFL standard but Evans will be saved this year by his contract.

Clisby is a certain upgrade. The kid knows how to play football and used his opportunity until suspended.

With 2 upgrades and Hogan to be added, there will be more to come. 3 retirements 4 delistings and 1 rookie gone is only the minimum amount that every club does each year.

Remember where we finished in 2013? To get to be competitive we have to do more than the rest. I'm hoping for another 4 to go.

And we will still have a sizable group of flawed players at the club! ( insert names here)

Very short memory George. Evans played some pretty good footy this season before he was injured. looked to be a real find in an otherwise bleak season. has a future.

Have to disagree there. Ball bounced off his chest too many times. A dud! With Craig golng he was never going to last

Agree.

If there was a stat for 'rubber chest', Sellar would be #1.

Nicholson must go.

No point having someone who can run hard all day if whenever he gets the ball he turns it over. Just makes them need to run more.

Best of luck to all players who to my knowledge gave their all, appear of decent character and achieved what most of us can only dream of and played at the highest level and more importantly for our great club.

All wise decisions but this thread should not be one for bagging player.

Agree regarding Clisby who looks an absolute goer, and Nicholson and Bail to go but Evans is worth perservering with.

I'd delist Nicholson & Bail. Nicho because of poor disposal and Bail has had a long time and is always out injured. He might have to retire if he gets concussed again anyway.

Thank the cosmos that Royal is gone!!! Best news all year.

I dont think delisting Magner would open up a further spot on the list as he only took over Clark's. When Clark returns, there is an extra player.

Sellar turned up to work today with a black eye. I wanna know that story.

I noticed that. Saw him at the supermarket on the way home

Does this mean that my man Neville Jetta has been given another go around? And what about James Magner?

Probably not an exhaustive list.

More to come

Thank the cosmos that Royal is gone!!! Best news all year.

He was enough to make the most devoted monarchist consider republicanism !!

I completely disagree with the point that 'you can't just have a best 22 and kids'. I think that is EXACTLY how to run the show in the current game.

A high-low approach to the salary cap, as it were. Make sure the team has a good core of reliable, high quality AFL players, then hve a steady churn of fresh draft picks as you look for new talent to continuously boost your list.

If you have an injury-ruined year, so be it, collect your earlier picks, move on. It's not like having three or four extra Joel MacDonalds in your team was going to win you the premiership that year. And if instead of those depth players you have one extra young gun on your list long-term, well, it's a pretty good deal.

But the super-years come when that core mostly stays on the field, and the churn of youngsters mean you have a bit of surprise packet talent coming through as well.

It's not a coincidence that Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney all punched through for premierships in years where they got the 'bonus' ready to go elite players like Selwood, Rioli, and Hannebury. ven Collingwood took the extra step largely because a collection of young mids pushed to the next level at the same time.

That is how you keep the 'window' open - an elite core, then keep on trying to ride a wave of young talent that peaks together if you're lucky.

Maybe I'm just embittered by the fact that we missed out on Dylan Grimes for no reason except to give Newton a seventh year. But that is a salient example of what I'm talking about.

Like this, seems to me this is the Melbourne Storm. Storm have 3-4 out and out superstars on massive coin and a decent list of no names earning stuff all. That's why so many of them leave, get new big deals elsewhere but can't perform without Slater, Cronkite and smith beside them and Bellamy screaming at em!

To all those posters who say " he should go, can't kick etc" I will be governed by roos & his expertise. Watts & similar players that we think will improve under roos, why can't these other peripheral players impove as well. You never have a team of 22 superstars , there are lots of good honet plodders that do their job as well.

Cannot believe Bail and Nicholson are still there Bail is contracted must be traded

Doubt any teams would want Bail even if he didnt have a squishy, concussion brain. One more, one too many, and he should retire.

Good riddance drop mark Sellar!

Interesting to note that many on here thought Couch was the next great player for MFC and now think he was a waste of a pick. How the mighty predictors change!!

Neil Craig was useless. Good riddance.

I hope get rid of more useless MFC staff and players.

I think the no hopers have been de listed, and Roos will try and see what he can get out of the rest up until the last list lodgements!

Remember we now have a coach with a cognitive thought process who isn't stuck isn't the late 1980s !!

Good riddance drop mark Sellar!

Interesting to note that many on here thought Couch was the next great player for MFC and now think he was a waste of a pick. How the mighty predictors change!!

Neil Craig was useless. Good riddance.

GOP we get rid of more useless MFC staff and players.

Oh, yeah, The Mighty Predictors torn down!

I hate those guys.

With their awful predictions and their non-existence - damn them!

Interesting to note that many on here thought Couch was the next great player for MFC

Evidence to back that up??

Agree regarding Clisby who looks an absolute goer, and Nicholson and Bail to go but Evans is worth perservering with.

Bail is contracted the only way he will go is

- We could trade him but who the hell would want him?

- we pay him out for 2014, doubt that will happen

He will be around in 2014 IMO

Interesting to note that many on here thought Couch was the next great player for MFC and now think he was a waste of a pick. How the mighty predictors change!!

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LOL.

No one made any such claim at all about Couch. And the waste of a pick was a rookie pick.

Heavens knows what will happen when you actually combined some actual facts with your searing insight.

Did we have to delist all these guys before the trading period or could we have retained them a bit longer and tried to trade them? (Better to trade one or two of our least preferred players than be forced to release one of our emerging/established key players)!

Did we have to delist all these guys before the trading period or could we have retained them a bit longer and tried to trade them? (Better to trade one or two of our least preferred players than be forced to release one of our emerging/established key players)!

I think you can take it as read in these days of more relaxed trading rules (including delisted free agents) and tighter salary caps, the players who are being delisted by clubs this early in the piece are of absolutely no trade value.

Did we have to delist all these guys before the trading period or could we have retained them a bit longer and tried to trade them? (Better to trade one or two of our least preferred players than be forced to release one of our emerging/established key players)!

You have to be trolling... Surely?

I think the time and breath spent asking if any one wants them would far outweigh any talks in trying to get pick 147 for them

Did we have to delist all these guys before the trading period or could we have retained them a bit longer and tried to trade them? (Better to trade one or two of our least preferred players than be forced to release one of our emerging/established key players)!

At least for a 2nd round pick!! Come on MFC. Lift your game!!

Thank the cosmos that Royal is gone!!! Best news all year.

Oh c'mon, surely Schwab and Neeld going were pretty good news