Wine was very good. He does not play for Melbourne. Get over it. Move on.

Two failed years how much longer will Bucks last?

never mind bucks, how much longer will the black & white throng allow Edd to stand, after dismissing MM.. they were on a good thing, then swatted it.

nice one edy.

I thought alastair lynch made a good point when he said that wines will have a real struggle with his weight when he hits 24/25, and that could have repercussions on his longevity in the game

I would have been happy for a number of our guys to have a weight problem down the track, a la Morton, Gysbert, Blease, Watts, Cook, and more. As a general rule I would be drafting kids who are physically ready to go from day one. They are not carrying chronic problems at draft time suh as OP.

Anyway we know it is all about player development. Boy Hinkley sure put some development into Wines inside three months. I was at the first match at the Gee and the first bounce when he grabbed the ball and rooster it forward. We had been training at elite levels for months but got absolutely pumped by the Power.

I just think we made yet another poor choice considering the position we are in. Toumpas yes when you are on the rise, Wines when you are floundering on the bottom.

Wowie Wines.

The kid tonight was probably in the top 3/4 players on the ground.

Kicked the crucial goals.

Now i have no doubt that Toumpas will be an absolute star, but Wines may actually just be better.

If we could have Toump, Wines and Viney that would be great, one can dream.

But seriously, wow

kids a jet..

Well if you think about it if we didnt get Hogan we could have had Wines, Toumpas and Viney.. you can build a formidble midfield around that..

Well if you think about it if we didnt get Hogan we could have had Wines, Toumpas and Viney.. you can build a formidble midfield around that..

true, true.

But it looks like Hogan could become the next big thing in the forward line so im still happy with the decision.

but imagine....

Collingwood.........

lol

Roos might see it differently

I would not be surprised if Hogan played at centre half back

Wines is a port player and to me he looks quite content being there

No point using what ifs

Ths is why we should be targeting Luke Dunstan..

The kid tonight was probably in the top 3/4 players on the ground.

Kicked the crucial goals.

Now i have no doubt that Toumpas will be an absolute star, but Wines may actually just be better.

If we could have Toump, Wines and Viney that would be great, one can dream.

But seriously, wow

kids a jet..

Ollie Wines has not stopping since the nationals last year, the kid is a beast.

He'd be my fav AFL player - barring Ablett Jr.

Love the way Ollie hunts the ball, he is a born leader, same as Viney.

Seriously, this is pathetic.

We chose Toumpas. Get over it.

And, relevantly, Toumpas will be an elite player.

In due course.

His average stats for the year are pretty much the same as vineys (a handball and a half extra per game, about 19 disposals to 17.5). Toumpas averaged 12.

Good first years from Viney and wines, both have a long way to go to be afl players. But Toumpas' stats aren't bad, especially considering he had a couple of Very low disposal games.

Give the kid another preseason or two and let him find his way. He looks to have all the attributes to be a player plus Viney and wines are the same type of player, Toumpas gives us something else.

I presume that Eddie McGuire won't have much to say now about next week's fixturing and that rugby game in Perth on Saturday night?

Well if you think about it if we didnt get Hogan we could have had Wines, Toumpas and Viney.. you can build a formidble midfield around that..

We didn't draft Wines. He's gone. Get over it.

Bitterly disappointed with Toumpas' output in finals so far.

Really Nasher . Poorer effort.

The comparison is someone who CAN play at finals pace and do well as to a player still struggling in a rabble.

Reality is Wines is far more polished and capable right now. He is hardly likely to undergo a massive reverrsal. Is way ahead of Toumpas

Edited September 7, 201312 yr by belzebub59

And, relevantly, Toumpas will be an elite player.

In due course.

Please don't use the word "elite" it brings back all sorts of nightmares!

This is turning into a Watts vs Nic Nat thread all over again.

Please Noooooooooooooooooooo more

Could Mouse pull off the absolute insult and get the scum up over the Toiges. Wouldn't he relish the fuming from Eddie . For that its tempting to wish for. But...go Toiges

Am impressed by Hardwick.

Got to be the most entertaining last few rounds of the season and start of the finals I have seen.

However I have that horrible feeling that Carlscum might get up against RIchmond... I hope not

Got to be the most entertaining last few rounds of the season and start of the finals I have seen.

However I have that horrible feeling that Carlscum might get up against RIchmond... I hope not

I want Carlton to win, it would be hilarious.

I want Carlton to win, it would be hilarious.

I want Carlton to win, it would be hilarious.

It would be about as hilarious as your average episode of the Big Bang Theory, which is to say it would be tragic and sad and altogether vomit-inducing.

Hate Carlton....Hate Malthouse........Really hope the Tigers do well....

I want Carlton to win, it would be hilarious.

Me too. Malthouse to progress further in the finals than Buckley. Sign me up for some of that.

Plus all this "Go Richmond!" crap that seems to have permeated across the league is grating on me. I want them to be bundled out at the first hurdle.