That could be said for many other players, hardtack. Neeld recruited for his paltry game plan and only played players he thought could execute it - Jack Fitzpatrick missing out for instance.

I think players like Jetta and Davis have more chance of coming good under the right guidance. Sellar for mine needs to make way for another midfielder.

Well, I guess all will be revealed over the coming weeks. I'm not too fussed either way, but I would fell a little disappointed if Jetta was moved on.

I think it will all depend on who the coach is, someone with runs on the board like Roos will probably not feel the need to slash and burn like a newer coach. I get the impression that Roos would have taken stock of the list and might make minimal changes this year, and see what he can get out of players.

For mine, and I'm not fully aware of the contract status, I see the following delistments: Gillies, Davis, Tynan, along with the 3 retirements, that make's 6 (senior list). Hogan comes in so we look at 5 coming in.

I can't see Magner or Couch being upgraded so they go, along with the injured Strak. Clisby stays on the rookie list and we get 3 new guys on there.

I get the impression that Roos would have taken stock of the list and might make minimal changes this year, and see what he can get out of players.

For mine, and I'm not fully aware of the contract status, I see the following delistments: Gillies, Davis, Tynan, along with the 3 retirements, that make's 6 (senior list). Hogan comes in so we look at 5 coming in.

I can't see Magner or Couch being upgraded so they go, along with the injured Strak. Clisby stays on the rookie list and we get 3 new guys on there.

I tend to agree and have similar thoughts on delistings, I don't think we will see wholesale changes, and if the issues at our club are as much about culture as anything then what better way of getting players onside than showing faith in them to produce.

That said I would imagine with the 3 retirements we will see players such as Tynan, Gillies, Sellar and possibly Nicholson moved on. Magner and Couch will not get onto the senior list so I suspect they will be let go.I would not be suprised if Clisby was elevated however, and Stark has only been there for a year and injured most of that time, so he would likely remain on the rookie list. Likewise for Taggert I think he has been injured for most of last year, didn't get a preseason in this year and really only got going in the second half of the year. He should have another year to prove himself hopefully.

If that occured that is 7 senior list players going, 1 elevated, and Hogan onto the main list. Leaving 5 new players, and 3 spots on the rookie list.

Edited September 2, 201311 yr by Oucher

I tend to agree and have similar thoughts on delistings, I don't think we will see wholesale changes, and if the issues at our club are as much about culture as anything then what better way of getting players onside than showing faith in them to produce.

That said I would imagine with the 3 retirements we will see players such as Tynan, Gillies, Sellar and possibly Nicholson moved on. Magner and Couch will not get onto the senior list so I suspect they will be let go.I would not be suprised if Clisby was elevated however, and Stark has only been there for a year and injured most of that time, so he would likely remain on the rookie list. Likewise for Taggert I think he has been injured for most of last year, didn't get a preseason in this year and really only got going in the second half of the year. He should have another year to prove himself hopefully.

If that occured that is 7 senior list players going, 1 elevated, and Hogan onto the main list. Leaving 5 new players, and 3 spots on the rookie list.

I think that you have just about pinned it. Your scenario seems logical and the only question is whether they want to retain Sellar for depth however I suspect that you may be on the mark as a spot on the list may be more valuable in a rebuild. Not sure how many years jamar has left in him either, especially with Spencer and Gawn in the wings?

We also need depth for our back line... who comes in if Frawley or Garland go down? I think the delistings will be Couch, Magner, Tynan, Bail, Nicholson, Gillies and maybe Tynan and Davis... as well Rodan, MacDonald and Davey who have retired - that gives you 11 changes already. I see Sellar as being a little like Jesse White and maybe worth persisting with. And after watching Jetta on Sunday, I think he still shows some promise.

Couch and Magner are rookies and Bail is contracted. If by the second Tynan you mean Taggert you are creating 8 spots.

More than enough but a bit harsh on Tynan and Taggert...

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I think it will all depend on who the coach is, someone with runs on the board like Roos will probably not feel the need to slash and burn like a newer coach. I get the impression that Roos would have taken stock of the list and might make minimal changes this year, and see what he can get out of players.

For mine, and I'm not fully aware of the contract status, I see the following delistments: Gillies, Davis, Tynan, along with the 3 retirements, that make's 6 (senior list). Hogan comes in so we look at 5 coming in.

I can't see Magner or Couch being upgraded so they go, along with the injured Strak. Clisby stays on the rookie list and we get 3 new guys on there.

I kind of agree but I think no matter who comes on we need to get rid of our dead wood.

I would add Sellar and Nicho to that list and upgrade Clisby so that leaves 6 spots. (would rather get rid of Nicho than Tynan - if there isn't enough draft talent)

I would rather have a late draft prospect than Sellar (look at McDonald or Garland)

I would like to snag Jurrah, Garrlett and posibly Mav Wellar (or others) would they be through rookie draft or PSD?

Surely Davis is gawn.

I'd also say Gillies, Sellar, Jetta, and Couch have played their last games.

While he's been ordinary this year, I'm pretty confident Tapscott will survive. Bail, Nicho, and Tynan are probably 50-50s, depending on who's available in the draft/free agency?

I feel sorry for Davis. Earned his spot in the firsts after consistent efforts in defence for Casey.

When he's promoted, it's into the forward line. That would have been difficult for any young defender. I don't know whether he's up to AFL standard as a defender. Neither do our selectors.

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Good thread that.

Good thread that.

Ha Ha

Yes it is actually rpfc!

Couch and Magner are rookies and Bail is contracted. If by the second Tynan you mean Taggert you are creating 8 spots.

More than enough but a bit harsh on Tynan and Taggert...

No, that was just full of errors... it was getting late and I was watching my Akta-vite warming on the stove and adjusting my incontinence pad in preparation for a comfortable night's sleep.

Sadly, Magner and Couch likely. Davis, Bail, Sellar, Tapscott, Jetta, Blease all in danger

Blease is in no danger of being delisted. Traded maybe.

Though I think Jetta's position in the team is in jeopardy, he seems to have been winning more of the ball recently (particularly in Casey) and we saw how good he could be in a couple of situations on the weekend. That run he took through the middle, using some good evasive skills, was just great to watch. He may also have a better chance of being retained with Davey and Rodan retiring as he becomes the only real small forward/defender who can go through the midfield with skills that in some small way replicate what those two provided. Not to mention that he has had a lot of injuries over the years and has struggled to get a consistent run in the firsts thanks to those.

I can't see Gillies being retained, nor Couch and Magner (as they have to be promoted to the senior list this year, or released I believe), with Tynan and Davis being the other two I think could be at risk. I think Sellar has showed enough to be a depth player and I would have him ahead of Davis and Gillies.

It'll be interesting to see what happens, but regardless, I'm happy to wait until after a head coach is appointed.

Edited September 3, 201311 yr by pm24

I can't see Gillies being retained, nor Couch and Magner (as they have to be promoted to the senior list this year, or released I believe), with Tynan and Davis being the other two I think could be at risk. I think Sellar has showed enough to be a depth player and I would have him ahead of Davis and Gillies.

Disagree re: Sellar. I don't think he's shown close to enough. Given that we already have Pedersen as one depth player, if we're going to keep another tall for depth, I'd actually rather keep Davis for his potential than Sellar, who is just far too slow to hold down a regular position anywhere.

I think you'll find that the club is taking a different approach when it come to the development of players at VFL level. Taggert and Tynan played VFL all year with Taggert having some standout games but still being made to work hard and play consistently well for the Scorps.

When Craig was was coaching Adelaide he would do the same thing. Players really had to earn their games by playing VFL for quite some time before given a taste.

Whether or not that means Taggert and Tynan will stay, I'm not sure. I definitely believe that Taggert has more to offer than Tynan and I'd like to see him kept on the list.

Don't believe that just because he hasn't played one game at AFL level, it means he is another Lucas Cook.

The MFC need to be able to develop players at Casey and get them playing solid, consistent and confident football before blooding them, it's all part of the process of player development. We know we have done the complete opposite in the past. Giving youngsters games without instilling some of these necessary skills.

With that in mind I'd want to delist the following over the next two years:

Jetta

Sellar

Bail

Magner

Couch

Davis

Byrnes

Gillies

Tynan

Nicholson

Pederson

I want to trade out the following over the next two years:

Dunn

Jamar

Watts

Sylvia (FA)

Hopefully by 2014 we have a big injection of quality young players, a few more mature recruits and some handy free agents.

With Roos and co we should be on our way to really developing a mentally strong and talented list of players. Most of the cancerous types will be gone.

Edited September 3, 201311 yr by stevethemanjordan

to be delisted

phillip goodman

Another way to come about this is to list who you would want to keep .....then order who's left .

We have three leaving. Id think we'd want to churn a dozen players so that leaves 9 to move on whether by trade or door.

Retired Rodan, McDonald, Davey

Definately gone Couch. Magner, Sellar, Gillies and Davis

Trade bait everyone except Hogan, Clarke, Grimes, Trenners, Garland, Frawley, Dawes, Macdonald, N Jones, Toumpas, Viney, Howe and maybe M Jones, Terlich, Kent, Clisby and Evans

Not sure why taggerts in danger. Hobbled by injury and his work load looks to have been managed all year and from the bits ive seen id stick with him for another year.

Drafted in 2011 hasn't played or got close to playing. Any other reasons needed?

Drafted in 2011 hasn't played or got close to playing. Any other reasons needed?

Depends, but probably yes is the answer. For any other club in the league besides us and GWS you aren't really expected to play in your first 2 years. Especially when he missed the majority of the first year.

He's also played some good games in the VFL, although consistency has been a big problem.

I'd still say Taggert is at the stage where you'd have to be convinced he doesn't have a lot of improvement left. Especially when there are plenty ahead of him who have had all those changes - Jetta, Nicholson etc.

I think I'd rather keep Sellar than Pederson but some nutcase gave Pederson a 3 year contract.

Davey Rodan Mcdonald retired

Magner, Couch,Sellar,Gillies,Davis,Tynan delisted

Jamar traded

That leaves spots for ten new players

Six midfielders , one crumber, one young Ruck, two key postions forward and back.

Davey = Retired

Rodan = Retired

MacDonald = Retired

Sellar = Delist (if Pedersen wasn't on a 3 year deal would probably of stayed in favour of)

Gillies = Delist

Jetta = Delist

Nicholson = Delist

Magner ® = Delist

Couch ® = Delist

Davis to get a 1 year deal in case we were to loose Frawley at the end of 2014. Taggert & Tynan also given 1 year deals and told they're on notice for 2014.

Trade bait: Watts (if Roos comes on board will be more likely to stay), Blease, Tapscott but wouldn't be against keeping them all to see what Roos can do.

Free Agent: Sylvia (still think he'll stay)

Hogan comes onto the senior list which leaves us with 6 senior spots and 2 rookie spots to fill.

If we get a priority Pick (Pick 1) Trades both picks 1 & 3 for two of Sloane, Rockliff, Swallow or Fyfe. And sign Cross as a free agent.

Go to the national draft with 3 live picks. Two mids and 1 KPD (after Frawley, Garland, McDonald not much depth there) and rookie draft with 2 picks. (Long term ruck prospect and maybe a mature age KPF in case of injury issues with Clark & Dawes. I like Khan Haretuku in the VFL.)

Interesting to hear Healy on tele during the game re; Jetta. When somebody referred to him as slow, Healy commented that he thought it was a fitness issue rather than lack of pace. After watching Jetta throughout the day I think he may be right.

Davis to get a 1 year deal in case we were to loose Frawley at the end of 2014.

Ok, this is where I point out the misnomer of depth; Davis could not get near replacing Frawley. If we are worried about losing James then spend ND18 on a yong, tall defender.

Davis would just be 'a body' from what I have seen and you can draft 'a body' from the VFL with Pick 60 of the Rookie Draft.

I know that Viney and co. have therir 'four pillars' that touch on character, performance, etc but my own rule now is; you don't get on the list unless you can do something elite right now.

Speed, marking, endurance, skills, hardness, clearances, etc - bring something to the table right now that could allow you to play a role at AFL level while developing as a player.

And that way depth is created from the fact that all players on the list can contribute something right away.