seems essendrug are quite capable of keeping and retaining records after all

now if only they could find those pesky player supplements records

''In 2012, [Essendon] players suffered 30 hamstring injuries compared to a 10-year average of 9.2, missing 88 games compared to a 10-year average of 29.1,'' the document says.

''In 2012, players suffered eight calf injuries compared to a 10-year average of 1.6, missing 26 games compared to a 10-year average of 6.4. In 2012, players suffered eight quadricep injuries compared to a 10-year average of 2.9, missing 20 games compared to a 10-year average of 7.9.''

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dean-robinsons-legal-action-against-essendon-could-put-heat-on-afl-executives-20131209-2z1uz.html#ixzz2n1FCnbEE

I think the AFL and EFC have done everything to make this story go away

and they almost succeeded ,to give dank/weapon a brown paper bag to go away was an easy option

for some reason {hird} this story keeps rearing up and giving the AFL another headache

their sanctioned reporters have been willing to back off

asada have backed off

but this story wont go away

im hoping mr hird keeps rattling cages and puts them in the deepest hole imaginable

I think he just realised one million for no job,no future footy job and a tarnished reputation is worth more than the one mill

I doubt very much that ASADA have backed off... I think that one of the reasons this is starting to take wings again is that ASADA are probably getting closer to using their power to haul Dank before them and people are starting to get nervous.

I really don't understand this talk of ASADA backing off or ASADA being unprofessional... when you think about it, the whole Cronulla, EFC, NRL/AFL issue has only been "officially" with them for a few months and in terms of what the ramifications can be, they should not and will not attempt to rush a decision.... our dislike (ok, for some, hatred) of Hird and the EFC clouds our judgement and makes us impatient, but ASADA has to get this right or the consequences could be disastrous... particularly if WADA becomes directly involved. I imagine any precedent set here that favours the perpetrators could have a flow on effect beyond our shores, and that is something WADA will not be wanting to happen.

As I have already mentioned a couple of times, I read somewhere that ASADA will be invoking their powers and calling Dank in for questioning possibly in January, so I guess there is every possibility that player sanctions could come into effect some time later in 2014... and I suppose the other issue for the EFC and the AFL then becomes, as the AFL has only penalised the EFC for bringing the game into disrepute, what further penalties will they issue on top of ASADA sanctions if they are found guilty with rgeards to the injections program?

ASADA have not backed off.

They are just not leaking information.

NRL axe poised to fall on Cronulla Sharks as NRL doping investigation reaches crucial day

hmm wonder who's next ??

One gets the distinct impression that the AFL has been trying to cover essendons butts the whole time (esp. the players)

One gets the distinct impression that the AFL has been trying to cover essendons butts the whole time (esp. the players)

of course they have...one might add a couple of non club butts to that list Id suggest

NRL axe poised to fall on Cronulla Sharks as NRL doping investigation reaches crucial day

hmm wonder who's next ??

Melbourne FC as they are an easy target

Melbourne FC as they are an easy target

the Melb thing is a total beat up. But if Trenners gets nicked he gets nicked.

Melb is a big case of someone else, a very guilty someone else shouting"Look over there" !!

Different ppl in charge of us now, people better place and able to fend away the jackals.

the Melb thing is a total beat up. But if Trenners gets nicked he gets nicked.

Melb is a big case of someone else, a very guilty someone else shouting"Look over there" !!

Different ppl in charge of us now, people better place and able to fend away the jackals.

I hope you are right BB

But I have no faith in the previous Management

The MFC must be the most investigated club in VFL/AFL history

Even BBO had been suspended from DL for doing the wrong thing!

asada have backed off

"Sources close to the investigation claim ASADA will probably not be in position to determine the players' fate until early next year."

(from the Cronulla report).

"Sources close to the investigation claim ASADA will probably not be in position to determine the players' fate until early next year."

(from the Cronulla report).

hoping this turns out to be true

im getting worried about the AFL.no show

agree we have to be patient

i think asada cant use all evidence until a higher authority is finished with thier investigation

jobe watson by his own admission is guilty of an asada violation

the only thing i can think of stopping an infraction notice is the authorities dont want to present evidence that may be getting used by a federal authority in a case yet to be finalised

Roy Masters of the Sydney Morning Herald is usually well informed and it's worth noting what he writes here - NRL on right track as AFL's efforts bomb

ASADA has enough evidence on Essendon now to decide to issue infraction notices and is merely waiting to see if there is any cross-fertilisation with evidence from the NRL enquiry.

Roy Masters of the Sydney Morning Herald is usually well informed and it's worth noting what he writes here - NRL on right track as AFL's efforts bomb

Warming up for Christmas.....

Coming thick and fast:

Now the good Ms. Hird weighs in:

AFL distorting facts, says Tania Hird

Coming thick and fast:

Now the good Ms. Hird weighs in:

AFL distorting facts, says Tania Hird

Just posted that on the other thread I looked at both and there was nothing here so we must have been typing at the same time.

Coming thick and fast:

Now the good Ms. Hird weighs in:

AFL distorting facts, says Tania Hird

LOL - she says hubby has been unfairly treated! Surprise surprise.

LOL - she says hubby has been unfairly treated! Surprise surprise.

I can only read the first paragraph, so i gather i did not miss too much!!

I can only read the first paragraph, so i gather i did not miss too much!!

This may work ...

James Hird's wife Tania says Andrew Demetriou knew about payments to suspended coach

LOL - she says hubby has been unfairly treated! Surprise surprise.

I love the bit how he would of only taken the suspension if he was fully paid

Nothing original to add. Just venting.

But my god this whole business (and I use the term advisedly - it sure ain't sport) is morally repulsive and the individuals involved are sickening.

Thats all folks.

Just posted that on the other thread I looked at both and there was nothing here so we must have been typing at the same time.

Just not enough threads to cover this snowballing mess ...

Nothing original to add. Just venting.

But my god this whole business (and I use the term advisedly - it sure ain't sport) is morally repulsive and the individuals involved are sickening.

Thats all folks.

So the message to the AFL community is?

Did not Abraham Lincoln say : " the last refuge of a scoundrel is to use his wife to plead a bankrupt case" ?

or something similar anyways

Did not Abraham Lincoln say : " the last refuge of a scoundrel is to use his wife to plead a bankrupt case" ?

Don't know as I never meet the guy