Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[Redleg 42,151]

  On 11/08/2014 at 13:17, old dee said:

entry gate at The Dome of death.

You have won five tickets to the last game against the Roos.

Luckily I have promised to babysit my 2 grand daughters.

I will have to miss our 21st loss in a row , not counting practice matches, at the pleasure palace.

[Redleg 42,151]

  On 12/08/2014 at 06:43, beelzebub said:

hmmmmm

How does that pan out Red ?WJ ? re the insurance side of things.

is it a bit like getting done for DUI...all bets off ??

i.e if EFC found to have been naughty naughty NAUGHTY....say sayonara baby to the insurance ??

I am just smelling a rat. I could imagine the club Insurer telling them to stonewall and agree to nothing.

If these blokes cop health issues in the future, who is the one wearing the claims that will follow, the Insurer.

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 07:05, Redleg said:

I am just smelling a rat. I could imagine the club Insurer telling them to stonewall and agree to nothing.

If these blokes cop health issues in the future, who is the one wearing the claims that will follow, the Insurer.

but what does it matter if they dont agree...they will still get done ?

[Whispering_Jack 31,367]

Hird's evidence was quite extraordinary and almost unique from my perspective in that he seems to be almost single-handedly inviting the ruination of his club. Here is what the EFC and Hird were saying at the outbreak of hostilities:-

Essendon Statement

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… today the Essendon Football Club contacted ASADA, the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority and requested their assistance in an investigation.

We offered the full cooperation of everyone at the club and ASADA has informed us that they will commence the investigation immediately.

Bombers to be investigated over supplements

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Coach James Hird said the purpose of the investigation was to clear Essendon of any wrongdoing.

‘‘We want to get this investigation started. We want to get it done. We want to come out with a clean bill of health,’’ he said. ‘‘We want to move on with the footy season.’’

But now he has surely become totally delusional:-

AFL forced Essendon to come forward: Hird

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"I do not believe the club proactively invited ASADA to investigate these matters," he told the Federal Court on Tuesday.

Hird said former AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou and chief operating officer Gillon McLachlan told Mr Evans, the then Essendon chairman, that the club had been guilty of doping and should self report.

"He (Mr McLachlan) said it would go better for the club if we came forward in a proactive way," Hird said.

"It was on their advice we came forward."

Demetriou has denied pre-warning the club.

I think he imagines himself like Don Quixote tilting at windmills and looking for non-existent conspiracies and like affairs that won't help him. He doesn't effect a single glimmer of remorse for what he's doing to his club and the game ... so finally ...

[Redleg 42,151]

  On 12/08/2014 at 07:07, beelzebub said:

but what does it matter if they dont agree...they will still get done ?

It's about admitting to wrongdoing, which can be used later by the players in claims.

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 07:13, Redleg said:

It's about admitting to wrongdoing, which can be used later by the players in claims.

But if the club is shown to have why does that matter? I dont need to admit to DUI to be done and ave insurance revoked ? just asking

[monoccular 17,760]

  On 12/08/2014 at 01:07, jnrmac said:

Only if you are guilty!!!!!!!

The point is you wouldn't go through the presser and fess up if you weren't guilty. What were they fessing up to? ('oh we don't know, we were told to do it' - really?? beggars belief)

Wasn't that defence thrown out at some trials of some rather nasty miscreants at Nürnberg 60+years ago??

[Demonland 74,425]

  On 12/08/2014 at 06:45, Redleg said:

Luckily I have promised to babysit my 2 grand daughters.

I will have to miss our 21st loss in a row , not counting practice matches, at the pleasure palace.

Won't it be the 20th loss in a row (assuming we lose)?

[binman 44,820]

The learned mick Warner of newscorp fame just said on 3aw he believes based on the evidence today the bombers are a Monty to win this case. Adamant asada will lose. I'm not a lawyer but sounds a weird analysis to me

[old dee 24,082]

  On 12/08/2014 at 09:07, binman said:

The learned mick Warner of newscorp fame just said on 3aw he believes based on the evidence today the bombers are a Monty to win this case. Adamant asada will lose. I'm not a lawyer but sounds a weird analysis to me

Another Bomber sycophant and look where he works the Essendon cheer squad.

[whatwhat say what 23,853]

Some Essendon fans are just plain ol' delusional.

Apparently the club were very happy with Hird's evidence yesterday, and today Adruska painted asada into a corner.

Just can't fathom it!

[bing181 9,473]

Social Litigator Day 2

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Justice Middleton appeared to consider Essendons public representations to be compelling by a comment he made to Dr McNicol, Counsel for ASADA, in the course of dealing with an objection, in which he said: the evidence is all one way in your favour at the moment

... and ..

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If it can be shown that Essendon invited the very investigation about which it now complains, how can it later suggest that there was anything inappropriate and improper about the concept?

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 10:04, bing181 said:

Social Litigator Day 2

... and ..

Funny how some of it is so clearcut ... to us ... and so unintelligible to that Windy Lot?

[daisycutter 30,017]

  On 12/08/2014 at 10:10, beelzebub said:

funny how some of it is so clearcut....to us....and so unintelligible to that Windy Lot ??

it's the koolade bub

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 09:07, binman said:

The learned mick Warner of newscorp fame just said on 3aw he believes based on the evidence today the bombers are a Monty to win this case. Adamant asada will lose. I'm not a lawyer but sounds a weird analysis to me

can you actually use those words in ONE sentence

[Deecisive 1,709]

I doubt Essendon are so delusional to think that Asada is just going to walk away and let them get away with it. Sounds like essendon is trying to postpone the death knell until after the finals series so that they have one more chance at the finals before they get hit.

Interesting issue is going to be what happens if all of these players get 6-12 months off. I would assume that their list can still only accommodate the same number of players as other sides, though the AFL could potentially allow them to do something dodgy to have additional players, well that was possibly before they started to throw mud at the AFL. I would also assume that any old and new players would all have to be paid out of next years salary cap.

[binman 44,820]

  On 12/08/2014 at 10:04, bing181 said:

Social Litigator Day 2

... and ..

A good read. Beats the hell out of accepting legal opinions of Mick Warner.

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 10:04, bing181 said:

Social Litigator Day 2

... and ..

bloody good read that

[bing181 9,473]

  On 12/08/2014 at 10:23, Deecisive said:

Interesting issue is going to be what happens if all of these players get 6-12 months off.

They can't get 6 months unless they offer "substantial assistance". i.e., some serious dobbing in. 12 months if it's "no fault and/or negligence" which they may be able to make stick, so that's probably the best they could hope for. Otherwise, 2 years.

Otherwise, WADA comes in over the top with the heavy artillery.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,101]

  On 12/08/2014 at 10:22, beelzebub said:

can you actually use those words in ONE sentence

How about "Today the world learned that Mick Warner is a #$&%*"? :-)

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 11:21, Red and Bluebeard said:

How about "Today the world learned that Mick Warner is a #$&%*"? :-)

apparently you can ...

[Ted Lasso 19,586]

Basically just said on AFL 360

there is no way Asada can win this case, all this has proved is that the organisation was ill equipped for an investigation of this magnitude

and then went on to say apparently the former CEO said an ASADA lawyer had expressed concerns over the AFL being present at Interviews and if it was a valid Investigation

[biggestred 5,311]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/aug/12/essendons-asada-power-play-means-afl-cannot-be-the-winner-on-the-day

[monoccular 17,760]

Surely Jacques has dug his own grave, by swearing under oath that “duress, threats and inducements” were used to influence his statements

So, did he mean that he lied because he was threatened, and wouldn't "do the right thing", or was he bought off or bribed? It would appear to be one or other.

Either way he must surely never be involved with a club again, ever.

[old dee 24,082]

  On 12/08/2014 at 12:47, monoccular said:

Surely Jacques has dug his own grave, by swearing under oath that “duress, threats and inducements” were used to influence his statements

So, did he mean that he lied because he was threatened, and wouldn't "do the right thing", or was he bought off or bribed? It would appear to be one or other.

Either way he must surely never be involved with a club again, ever.

He has a sizeable contract do just that mono in a few days time.