I don't agree with the Greenwood suggestions. It would just be injecting our club with more average mids. There's a [censored] reason he's not getting a game. Do people think about that?

Yeah, with you here. I'm not sure he would add anymore than we have already with McKenzie.

And while I'm at it, if Kent can have a great pre-season and shed some weight, he could be another option for a run on ball. Same goes with Tapscott.

We will get better when these players - (who do have skill) - also develop a serious fitness base and a thirst for working really hard both ways.

Kent

Taggart

Jones

Sylvia

Viney

Barry

Toumpas

Trengove

Tapscott

Terlich

Grimes

They're 11 players who should all be able to play midfield within the next couple of years. It's about developing them with the right coaches, environment and hopefully some leaders/(free agents) around them. They're all skilled and smart. Most have the ability to play inside and again, those who aren't inside players can also develop a hunger for the inside ball and contest. It's about mental development.. A change of the psyche

Bring in another crop of mids at this years draft with the right attributes and mind sets and maybe trade for one or two culture and club changers, and we'll be okay. We just need a really good learning and developing environment at our club. Even if we can't get our hands on some worthwhile FA at the end of the year, I'd be trying to bring in at least two ex star mids who can coach, influence and inspire this group. It can happen. Royal doesn't help. These players need inspiration. There's a good crop there, I'm telling you. I'm usually negative nellly.

The 'out of favour' types are out of favour because they're not quite cutting it for their respective teams.

Taking fringe players can work out with the right planning, especially for certain positions. It's a ridiculous idea to suggest that we snap up any out of favour mid and gift them games in our midfield. That's not the way to go about it at all.

If Sewell was at our club, he would hardly set the world on fire. He is made to look a lot better than he is because he plays in a fantastic midfield.

We need to continue to develop Grimes, Jones, Trengove, Viney, Toumpas and Sylvia and try and get a really good free agent or two by the end of the year who can really influence and inspire that core midfield group of players. Someone like Mundy or Cooney.

Nurture and develop our talent and bring in some leadership and really hard working free agent mids.

I don't agree with the Greenwood suggestions. It would just be injecting our club with more average mids. There's a [censored] reason he's not getting a game. Do people think about that?

I'm not saying we have to go and get him, I'm merely pointing out that these are the types of players we may have to go for if we want to bring in more midfield talent to play for us straight away. So if it was Grigg or Houli back when Richmond got them you would have said no to picking them? Some players flourish when given more of a go rather than a role they may not be suited to. And I think Sewell is more than just a bit part player he wins a lot of his own ball and has helped them win a number of games. What I'm also trying to point out is that people who come up with these trades for Fyfe, Sloane, Dangerfield etc. are not being realistic.

You are one of the more level headed posters mate, but trade Howe? Surely not, he is the only marketable player, in the sense of attracting young supporters we have. 2.26am... Had a few softies?

Agree Django..

Trade Howe....LOL...What a mystifying statement..

I'm not saying we have to go and get him, I'm merely pointing out that these are the types of players we may have to go for if we want to bring in more midfield talent to play for us straight away. So if it was Grigg or Houli back when Richmond got them you would have said no to picking them? Some players flourish when given more of a go rather than a role they may not be suited to. And I think Sewell is more than just a bit part player he wins a lot of his own ball and has helped them win a number of games. What I'm also trying to point out is that people who come up with these trades for Fyfe, Sloane, Dangerfield etc. are not being realistic.

Well, I don't agree with you. There is a big difference between someone like Houli and Greenwood. Greenwood is not a talent. He is an average footballer. Stop grouping these players together. Yes you're right in saying there are midfielders out there who would be worthwhile going after, but do a bit of critical thinking.

There are three reasons our midfield is the worst in the AFL. Lack of depth, lack of talent and something I call MFC environmental conditioning.

Nobody thought Clarke would come to Melbourne considering he wanted to go home to WA, but look what happened? Would you have considered snaring him a realistic chance back then?

Anything can happen.

And while I'm at it, if Kent can have a great pre-season and shed some weight, he could be another option for a run on ball. Same goes with Tapscott.

We will get better when these players - (who do have skill) - also develop a serious fitness base and a thirst for working really hard both ways.

Kent

Taggart

Jones

Sylvia

Viney

Barry

Toumpas

Trengove

Tapscott

Terlich

Grimes

They're 11 players who should all be able to play midfield within the next couple of years. It's about developing them with the right coaches, environment and hopefully some leaders/(free agents) around them. They're all skilled and smart. Most have the ability to play inside and again, those who aren't inside players can also develop a hunger for the inside ball and contest. It's about mental development.. A change of the psyche

Bring in another crop of mids at this years draft with the right attributes and mind sets and maybe trade for one or two culture and club changers, and we'll be okay. We just need a really good learning and developing environment at our club. Even if we can't get our hands on some worthwhile FA at the end of the year, I'd be trying to bring in at least two ex star mids who can coach, influence and inspire this group. It can happen. Royal doesn't help. These players need inspiration. There's a good crop there, I'm telling you. I'm usually negative nellly.

I'm loving this bloke's work at the moment.

Could be my new man crush....

I'm loving this bloke's work at the moment.

Could be my new man crush....

If he built his tank he could have a much bigger impact on games. He's just carrying a bit too much condition atm.

The 'out of favour' types are out of favour because they're not quite cutting it for their respective teams.

Taking fringe players can work out with the right planning, especially for certain positions. It's a ridiculous idea to suggest that we snap up any out of favour mid and gift them games in our midfield. That's not the way to go about it at all.

If Sewell was at our club, he would hardly set the world on fire. He is made to look a lot better than he is because he plays in a fantastic midfield.

We need to continue to develop Grimes, Jones, Trengove, Viney, Toumpas and Sylvia and try and get a really good free agent or two by the end of the year who can really influence and inspire that core midfield group of players. Someone like Mundy or Cooney.

Nurture and develop our talent and bring in some leadership and really hard working free agent mids.

I don't agree with the Greenwood suggestions. It would just be injecting our club with more average mids. There's a [censored] reason he's not getting a game. Do people think about that?

Yeah, we think about it.

The reason clubs have a pro-scout looking at other clubs is to find the player on the fringes that might be able to be obtained and developed into something useful.

Much like your desire to develop something useful from the mids we already have.

I agree that our improvement will largely come from what we have, but there is little harm in looking at fringe young players at other clubs to fill roles with late picks, free agency or the rookie draft.

We got Terlich, Matt Jones, and Clisby from a tier below and they look to have cemented certain roles within the team.

If he built his tank he could have a much bigger impact on games. He's just carrying a bit too much condition atm.

Kent had issues with being able to train regularly at Perth due to living in country WA, last season was his first real stint at Pre-season and that was somewhat modified, lot of upside in this kid

Yeah, we think about it.

The reason clubs have a pro-scout looking at other clubs is to find the player on the fringes that might be able to be obtained and developed into something useful.

Much like your desire to develop something useful from the mids we already have.

I agree that our improvement will largely come from what we have, but there is little harm in looking at fringe young players at other clubs to fill roles with late picks, free agency or the rookie draft.

We got Terlich, Matt Jones, and Clisby from a tier below and they look to have cemented certain roles within the team.

Some think about it. Clearly I was referring to those that don't.

I don't know if you're making a rebuttal with your response or not..

I was simply isolating a player in Greenwood who is a fringe player because of his lack of talent.

Obviously there are players who are on the fringe for varying reasons and of course there can be some good finds.

Did I say anything different to that? I don't know what your post is about.

There are three reasons our midfield is the worst in the AFL. Lack of depth, lack of talent and something I call MFC environmental conditioning.

As you've pointed out already, it's the first and third that are most important of those three. Mainly the third.

An injection of a couple of A-grade 18 year olds, and hopefully an injection of an A-grade established player (or B-grader, maybe) will help us with depth, whilst a new, better coach will help with the latter.

Rumoured that Mitch Robinson has been told his services won't be required at Carlton in 2014.

Forget all the "bruise free" stuff, I'd be keen. I possibly think a bit more highly of him because he seems to save his best for when he plays us, but an accumulator who throws himself into packs and a match winner on his day, he's an attractive prospect at the right price.

Rumoured that Mitch Robinson has been told his services won't be required at Carlton in 2014.

Forget all the "bruise free" stuff, I'd be keen. I possibly think a bit more highly of him because he seems to save his best for when he plays us, but an accumulator who throws himself into packs and a match winner on his day, he's an attractive prospect at the right price.

Any reason for that? I hate that guy with a passion, not sure I could stomach him playing for us even though he'd be an upgrade on field from a lot of our players.

Any reason for that? I hate that guy with a passion, not sure I could stomach him playing for us even though he'd be an upgrade on field from a lot of our players.

Don't have anything more than that, but it doesn't come as a shock if true. Malthouse doesn't seem like his biggest advocate.

Fair call, but at this stage whether I like the individual or not is probably at the bottom of my list of considerations. I want a better footy side to support each week.

I'm not sure where all this talk of Kennedy is coming from. He is almost Sydney's most important midfielder and I doubt they'd let him go.

We'd have more chance of lassoing the moon with a skipping rope and dragging it to earth ...

We'd have more chance of lassoing the moon with a skipping rope and dragging it to earth ...

Well c'mon Ron, get cracking.

And bring down a few stars while you're at it.

Rumoured that Mitch Robinson has been told his services won't be required at Carlton in 2014.

Forget all the "bruise free" stuff, I'd be keen. I possibly think a bit more highly of him because he seems to save his best for when he plays us, but an accumulator who throws himself into packs and a match winner on his day, he's an attractive prospect at the right price.

Agree. I absolutely hate the guy, but, emotion aside, he's the sort of guy who could probably add a bit to our midfield (as long as we don't have to pay/trade too much).

Some think about it. Clearly I was referring to those that don't.

I don't know if you're making a rebuttal with your response or not..

I was simply isolating a player in Greenwood who is a fringe player because of his lack of talent.

Obviously there are players who are on the fringe for varying reasons and of course there can be some good finds.

Did I say anything different to that? I don't know what your post is about.

I misread the bit at the end about the Greenwood 'mids' - I assumed you meant all fringe mids would be more average mids.

Haven't gone through this whole thread so pardon me if this has been raised.

http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/No2-pick-in-play-as-Dees-aim-for-instant-upgrade/61010

Sloane or Swallow for pick 2 and Watts?

Haven't gone through this whole thread so pardon me if this has been raised.

http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/No2-pick-in-play-as-Dees-aim-for-instant-upgrade/61010

Sloane or Swallow for pick 2 and Watts?

The only player i would trade both pick 2 & Watts for would be Brad Crouch from the Crows, but given they gave so much up for him, have invested a hell of a lot of time in him, and he is starting to really show great signs, it would be impossible to achieve.

I misread the bit at the end about the Greenwood 'mids' - I assumed you meant all fringe mids would be more average mids.

Not at all.

Have a look at the 'Viv Mitchie' thread. There's an example of a fringe mid for different reasons. He is an example of a player we should definitely keep an eye on.

I'm just not into the Greenwood talk because I don't rate him as a player and he seems to be on the outer because he's not good enough.

Mitch Robinson is a MUST. I can't stand the bloke but that is exactly what we need. An unsociable, tough as nails, battering ram.

We have plenty of nice boys and we still play bruise free football.

Add Robinson and Hogan into the side, two blokes who love finding the body, and the culture will gradually change on field.

Best way to form a winning culture is to win, we need to do everything in our power to improve our midfield ten fold by next season, Robinson would be handy in that sense, if the price is right

Mitch Robinson ... not keen on his character. But is the tough, no finesse, get the footy type we need. And he might be keen.

Add Mark Choco Williams as coach and these bad boys would be sorted.

Mitch Robinson ... not keen on his character. But is the tough, no finesse, get the footy type we need. And he might be keen.

Add Mark Choco Williams as coach and these bad boys would be sorted.

exactly, right now needs go above and beyond what we'd like, we need support for Nathan Jones, don't get it we don't rise up the ladder, it's that simple, we have some okay users on the outside, need to be able to win enough of the ball to use our assets