One trick pony...plays hard and a stopper, but that's all. We need mids who get the bloody ball and race it out of the guts and kick goals. We don't need one trick ponies.

It's a real conundrum this because he is our best tagger and leads our tackle count.

But....too one dimensional for mine, it's like we are always playing one short in the centre square.

Adelaide showed why you need strong hard running skilled ball winners, not just taggers.

One trick pony...plays hard and a stopper, but that's all. We need mids who get the bloody ball and race it out of the guts and kick goals. We don't need one trick ponies.

At least he HAS one trick, better than most of our mids at present...

One trick pony...plays hard and a stopper, but that's all. We need mids who get the bloody ball and race it out of the guts and kick goals. We don't need one trick ponies.

By playing taggers such as this kid we are admitting defeat before the game even begins. We are automatically down 1 player in an 'attempt' to reduce them by 1 player.

By playing him

Us -1 player 100% of time

opposition -1 player 50% of time (When mckenzie does a good job)

Odds are against us by using him

Stats say he "got the bloody ball" 18 times.

It appears that he's doing a roll that has been asked of him. That being a one-trick stopper. In the past when he's been given a wider roll, he's shown other abilities.

He is a good tackler, and we have a distinct shortage of those.

One trick pony...plays hard and a stopper, but that's all. We need mids who get the bloody ball and race it out of the guts and kick goals. We don't need one trick ponies.

Just when I thought we were running out of players to bag, up comes Soidee with McKenzie; perhaps we could start a thread bagging Clark for his less than stellar second half of the season, or Jones for constantly falling one or two short of the 30 possessions per game mark.

Lets not waste our time talking about Jordie. He is doing his job and doing it well. Plenty of others who don't and worse can't.

Bloody Jordie.

He's keeping all the Cotchins and Fyfes we have tearing it up at Casey out of the side.

Land sucks sometimes...

Stats say he "got the bloody ball" 18 times.

And probably kicked it to a crows player 6 times.

He is a good tagger and will play a useful role for the next few years

Unfortunately that is it IMO

You have to be kidding. Has obviously been told to kick more. His handballing is actually very good, and he tackles ferociously. And as Sam Blease would say, he always cracks in and has a crack. Will be a required part of this team for at least the next 2-3 years, easily.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was part of a Melbourne premiership team. After all, Geelong won 3 premierships with Ling......

And probably kicked it to a crows player 6 times.

He is a good tagger and will play a useful role for the next few years

Unfortunately that is it IMO

Why is that "unfortunate" OD? Not every player will be a superstar or even outstanding (even in a premiership team), but it can be argued that McKenzie's role is a very important one, and if he does it well (which he does), then he is a vital cog in the machine.

perhaps we could start a thread bagging Clark for his less than stellar second half of the season,

We paid top dollar for Clark and he hasnt taken one mark in the second half of the season...NOT FREAKIN ONE....pfffttt

Why is that "unfortunate" OD? Not every player will be a superstar or even outstanding (even in a premiership team), but it can be argued that McKenzie's role is a very important one, and if he does it well (which he does), then he is a vital cog in the machine.

I agree with your basic premise hardtack but unfortunately his poor kicking means he struggles to do it well most weeks.

I do not think he has the skill to be part of a top 4 side.

I said "He is a good tagger and will play a useful role for the next few years"

But I do not see much more value than that in him.

I agree with your basic premise hardtack but unfortunately his poor kicking means he struggles to do it well most weeks.

I do not think he has the skill to be part of a top 4 side.

I said "He is a good tagger and will play a useful role for the next few years"

But I do not see much more value than that in him.

Fair enough OD, but after seeing Jones' improvement in all facets of his game in the past 3 years, I see no reason why McKenzie can't apply himself and raise his standard as well.

By playing taggers such as this kid we are admitting defeat before the game even begins. We are automatically down 1 player in an 'attempt' to reduce them by 1 player.

By playing him

Us -1 player 100% of time

opposition -1 player 50% of time (When mckenzie does a good job)

Odds are against us by using him

You seem to blame him for the fact that he's only playing to the one-dimensional role he's been asked to play by the coach.

He also seems to be under orders to kick more and handball less, for whatever reason. Which also blunts his effectiveness at clearances.

I agree that it's admitting defeat and that it means we're one short for getting clearances.

But it seems to be what Neeld wants him to do. In the process, it makes him a more limited player than he looked last year. Hopefully, it's for his ultimate good, rather than to fatten him up to trade or delist.

One of the last worries we have is Jordie Mckenzie.

Needs to learn to use the football - but nonetheless he is still one of the last worries we have.

Bloody Jordie.

He's keeping all the Cotchins and Fyfes we have tearing it up at Casey out of the side.

Land sucks sometimes...

Exactly. What gun megastar is Jordie keeping out of the side?

He busts a gut for the team. As far as I'm concerned, he gets a game until he is surpassed by a better player. As it is I think he'll be a permanent fixture in the side for the next two years at least.

Laughable. It's a good trick to have, he's doing his assigned job better than most and he'll do it when we play well or poorly.

Can anyone tell me if it was Jordie that lay the front on tackle on Scott Thompson in the first quarter? I was distracted and thought it may have been Blease, surely not?

Jordie or any other tagger won't play when we have an elite group of midfielders. The pies don't tag they get tagged. It's not his fault the rest of the midfield group are outclassed every week.

Laughable. It's a good trick to have, he's doing his assigned job better than most and he'll do it when we play well or poorly.

Can anyone tell me if it was Jordie that lay the front on tackle on Scott Thompson in the first quarter? I was distracted and thought it may have been Blease, surely not?

It was McKenzie. Eddie McGuire called it as Blease, but it was definitely McKenzie.

Don't understand the love for this guy at all. We have the worst midfield in the comp, of which McKenzie is a central plank.

We'll be a better, more compeitive side when he's not in the middle of the ground.

Jordie or any other tagger won't play when we have an elite group of midfielders. The pies don't tag they get tagged. It's not his fault the rest of the midfield group are outclassed every week.

I FOR ONE WOULD BE HAPPY IF WE JUST PLAYED SIMPLE FOOTY. JORDIE IS ONE OF THE TOO MANY AROUND THE BALL WE HAVE THE MOST CONJESTED MIDFIELD IN THE LEAGUE ITS LIKE PRIMARY SCHOOL FOOTY WHEN EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET THE PILL LOOKS AWFUL LOOKS SECOND RATE

NO BODY ACTUALLY TRUSTS HIS TEAM MATES TO GET THE BALL AND STAYS WIDE ENOUGH TO GET A DECENT CLEARANCE

haha this thread is a joke!

Don't understand the love for this guy at all. We have the worst midfield in the comp, of which McKenzie is a central plank.

We'll be a better, more compeitive side when he's not in the middle of the ground.

What. The. Hell.

It's not his fault our midfield is shizen and we have to be excited over a tagger but that is the case.

He has a role to play going forward in a good side and will be around for a while.

And he would be one of the first picked under Neeld, who you seem to admire?

You are just looking for fights of late.