Cloke and Collingwood - to part or not to part?

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

Plenty of Pies fans calling SEN absolutely filthy on Cloke for dragging this out.

Nice to see another club go through what we went through with you-know-who.

Even better that it's the Filth.

He is every chance to be boo'd by his own if he doesn't perform I reckon.

Thought I would go to Nick's page for some light reading on Cloke's contract here is what I read.

I posted this in another thread but I decided it needs a thread of its own..

Cloke is gone and won't be staying on in 2013..

I asked my source if i could post it and he ddnt mind, as it's not his brothers player...

My source is paul Connors brother who works with me..

He told me the pies offered him 750 to 800k per year over 4 years..they increased the deal to 900k but it was heavily based on performance..

Pies basically said take it or leave, as they had other players to sign up and wanted clokes form to increase ASAP.

Clokes rejected it and pies have conceded he is gone..

How u would say Paul connors knows this, well he just signed up Reid and was told that they have the money Reid wants now.. And that they will be hunting for players

I am happy Cloke is gone to be honest, as long as we use the picks well...

Expect Cloke to continue to play like crap til seasons end me thinks.

Once again guys take it as u will..time will tell that I am correct..

Blues Melbourne fighting for his services now

[Dee1987 277]

Would love the Dees to be Carlton too this if true, they snared Judd off us and they have always bought players in the past.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Thought I would go to Nick's page for some light reading on Cloke's contract here is what I read.

I posted this in another thread but I decided it needs a thread of its own..

Cloke is gone and won't be staying on in 2013..

I asked my source if i could post it and he ddnt mind, as it's not his brothers player...

My source is paul Connors brother who works with me..

He told me the pies offered him 750 to 800k per year over 4 years..they increased the deal to 900k but it was heavily based on performance..

Pies basically said take it or leave, as they had other players to sign up and wanted clokes form to increase ASAP.

Clokes rejected it and pies have conceded he is gone..

How u would say Paul connors knows this, well he just signed up Reid and was told that they have the money Reid wants now.. And that they will be hunting for players

I am happy Cloke is gone to be honest, as long as we use the picks well...

Expect Cloke to continue to play like crap til seasons end me thinks.

Once again guys take it as u will..time will tell that I am correct..

Blues Melbourne fighting for his services now

Very interesting, thanks for posting CFH.

Don't know who this 'Nick' is but if his source is Paul Connors' brother it's not a bad tip.

I am beginning to think we are very much in the race for his signature now.

Huge roll of the dice by Neeld and co this one. I can understand though why he'd elect to go for it. He knows he'll be under pressure if we're sitting 3-8 with little improvement by mid-season 2013. He's going to see an influx of top-end young talent through the draft but while they develop he's going to need wins to placate the restless natives.

A Cloke/Clark forward line set up will make us 25% more competitive straight away.

I reckon we're a strong chance to get him.

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

Yeah we are in with a shot. Stumbling block is Carlton but how can they fit him in their cap without using Brown paper bags?

[Dee1987 277]

CHF what you have said has been said on bigfooty a bloke saying he works at Telstra with Connors bro but he indicate he will pick Carlton because of Malthouse possibly going there but ive also heard he is Close mates with Neeld and Brown. Only time will Tell.

[bush demon 2,013]

Don't remember all the circumstances around his father leaving Richmond for Collingwood, but it helped bring that club down; it would devastate Collingwood. Don't quite know why he is holding out for not a huge difference in offers, and the prospects of Olympic Gold for the magpies.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Surely Cloke isn't staying at the pies now. Where he ends up who knows? If the bombers and Carlton miss the 8 and the Pies lose the flag and Cloke at least there will be some positives from this season.

It looks to me like the Blues are putting they're Irons in the rack, readying for the draft & an Early Preseason.

I can smell a change Blowin in the Wind , over @ Princes. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGO8snK98l0

[Bring Back Barassi 552]

bring it on !! we've got the room in our cap, we front load the deal, everyone happy.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Dont want to be Captin obvious but some of the facts:

1. Both Dees and freo have offered Cloke big contracts with Dees offering by far the most of any club someting like 1.1 over 6-7 years

2. Pies can only offer 4 with with about 800k max.

3. Carlton have shown interest but require Murphy, Judd, Kruzer, Robinson, Gibbs, Jamison all to take pay cuts to get him there!

4. If Cloke really never had any interest in the prospect of coming to the Dees he would of signed immediatley

5, There is still the possibilty of him staying with the Pies, but history tells who wants to have something like this hanging over your head? Ablett, Scully, Ward and co let it drag on until seasons end to inform the were leaving for $$

So im guessing he is seriously thinking about the MFC offer!!!! I would too

Who said Car'ton haven't brought out the paper bags yet???

Just because it's not public Knowledge doesn't mean it's not on. Even if they act like nothings happened Yet. Has Malty got an In Principle agreement???

[Range Rover 1,935]

Who said Car'ton haven't brought out the paper bags yet???

Just because it's not public Knowledge doesn't mean it's not on. Even if they act like nothings happened Yet. Has Malty got an In Principle agreement???

I hope they do sign Malthouse and I hope it turns out to be Pagan Mach II for them.

Edited July 24, 2012 by Range Rover

[dee-luded 2,959]

Thought I would go to Nick's page for some light reading on Cloke's contract here is what I read.

I posted this in another thread but I decided it needs a thread of its own..

Cloke is gone and won't be staying on in 2013..

I asked my source if i could post it and he ddnt mind, as it's not his brothers player...

My source is paul Connors brother who works with me..

He told me the pies offered him 750 to 800k per year over 4 years..they increased the deal to 900k but it was heavily based on performance..

Pies basically said take it or leave, as they had other players to sign up and wanted clokes form to increase ASAP.

Clokes rejected it and pies have conceded he is gone..

How u would say Paul connors knows this, well he just signed up Reid and was told that they have the money Reid wants now.. And that they will be hunting for players

I am happy Cloke is gone to be honest, as long as we use the picks well...

Expect Cloke to continue to play like crap til seasons end me thinks.

Once again guys take it as u will..time will tell that I am correct..

Blues Melbourne fighting for his services now

Good, lets make the Blues blow a CardBoard gasket. Then let them chew on it.

We can see what floats free from they're Greed.

#Edit: I reckon I'd rather Offer Big $$$$$$ to Drew Petrie.

Edited July 24, 2012 by dee-luded

[old dee 23,553]

Tonight I heard on Channel Nine that Travis Cloke has said he is putting all discussion about his contract on hold until the end of the season.

Now that just rings to me of I am leaving Collingwood.

How often have we heard that in the last few years only to have the person announce I am off to a different club the day after the season ends.

He is going to Carlton is my tip.

What say you all?

[mrtwister 652]

Guys I hate starting new threads but I could not find where I should put this comment.

Mods Combine it somewhere else if it suits you.

Tonight I heard on Channel nine that Cloke has said he is putting all discussion about his contract on hold until the end of the season.

Now that just rings to me of I am leaving Collingwood.

How often have we heard that in the last few years

Only to have the person announce I am off to a different club the day after the season ends.

He is going to Carlton is my tip.

What say you all?

Collingwood seem to think it was them who called off the talks.

[old dee 23,553]

Collingwood seem to think it was them who called off the talks.

They would say that would they not?

But you may be right

Maybe they said come see us when you play half a dozen good games.

Whatever way I look at it they do not have the ability to pay what he wants.

They are other players wanting to sign but are being held back by Cloke's demands.

Interesting times for the CFC.

[Guest KingDingAling]

Good, lets make the Blues blow a CardBoard gasket. Then let them chew on it.

We can see what floats free from they're Greed.

#Edit: I reckon I'd rather Offer Big $$$$$$ to Drew Petrie.

Same, at least he can play!

Clokes a big girl, gotta laugh at him complaining to the umps because he cant get a kick.

Stan Alves and Robert Walls hit the nail on the head, wise old men.

Can only hope Carlton land this Mummys boy - will fit in well with Gibbs.

[PaulRB 6,305]

Cloke's performance will improve from here and almost lift the Pies to the flag.

Then to the Dees... Cloke and Clark hmmm

[Moonshadow 17,577]

That's a lot of money we are allegedly offering.

Hope he's worth it, because what we need most is experienced, quality MIDFIELDERS.

Anyone for Sewell, Chappy, Goddard or Montagna? Imagine if we picked up 2 or 3 of these..... *drools down chin*

[olisik 4,060]

Good, lets make the Blues blow a CardBoard gasket. Then let them chew on it.

We can see what floats free from they're Greed.

#Edit: I reckon I'd rather Offer Big $$$$$$ to Drew Petrie.

Petrie has only had a handful of good games over several seasons AND we would need to give up draft picks or good players for him.

Clokes value is probably 500k or so higher because we give nothing in return to the filth.

I was having a think about it before, teams who do not participate in FA miss out the most as theoretically every time a player changes hands compensation picks are created out of thin air by the AFL. Teams who do not participate by taking players or losing players miss out altogether on there cut and the benefits of these compensations created on the fly by the AFL.

[H_T 3,042]

Rodney Eade on Insider said his club has put the statement out and are putting contract talks on hold. "Read into it any way you like", no one at the club is adding any further.

I've always thought this year as long as Cloke hasn't signed, he and Malthouse would make a good marriage of sorts at Carlton if Ratten struggled this season, for some reason.

Another thing that caught my ear on Insider later in the program was when discussing Mitch Clark as most important player at Melbourne, Eade added "I think you'll find that going further, going forward I think he (Clark) will become the second ruck."

Wonder if Eade knows more than he's letting on...... .

[Moonshadow 17,577]

Apart from a couple of $100k per year (remember he's being offered $800k by the Filth, more by Freo and prob about the same by the Poos), why the hell would Cloke even think about coming to Melbourne?

Been near the bottom for years, likely to stay there, just breaking even from donations, list full of very average kids, train next to the Filth and attract 15 people and a couple of sea gulls to each game.

Given his FA options, I doubt it.

[Hardnut 327]

1. Both Dees and freo have offered Cloke big contracts with Dees offering by far the most of any club someting like 1.1 over 6-7 years

A categorical NO to this if it is true - too much money and too many years - a match by match performance based contract at best!

[Range Rover 1,935]

Apart from a couple of $100k per year (remember he's being offered $800k by the Filth, more by Freo and prob about the same by the Poos), why the hell would Cloke even think about coming to Melbourne?

Been near the bottom for years, likely to stay there, just breaking even from donations, list full of very average kids, train next to the Filth and attract 15 people and a couple of sea gulls to each game.

Given his FA options, I doubt it.

More years offered.

Also, working under Neeld may appeal to him.

[Range Rover 1,935]

A categorical NO to this if it is true - too much money and too many years - a match by match performance based contract at best!

How about from here on in we give everyone - from the coach to the bootstudder - one year deals and if they don't peform we sack them?

That would accord with your view would it not Hardnut?

[Hardnut 327]

I believe in getting value for money - performance based pay!

[olisik 4,060]

These compensation picks for teams losing players to FA is the AFL adding currency out of nothing.

I hope Bates manager scores him a good enough contract to get us a late 2nd round pick.

We should be as active as possible in FA to get our share of this extra currency the AFL is pumping into the system.