On 15/08/2012 at 05:44, H_T said:

Yep agree on surplus. I'd do Martin p13 for Caddy.

Same.

Guys and Gals,

I am still hearing that GC are entertaining MFC with the thought of having Caddy with a Bail and our last round one pick? Is anyone else hearing this?

From what I have been told Melbourne are declining the offer as Bail is apparently not a tradeable player. Although some are leaning towards it more and more....

Does anyone know where Bail is from?

  On 15/08/2012 at 03:48, Pennant St Dee said:

Not saying he is a must keep just saying Caddy is not worth pick 13 + Martin, Martin has other trade value with Collingwood & Hawthorn looking for other ruck options

I'm saying Martin for Caddy straight swap, not pick 13 + Martin.

  On 15/08/2012 at 07:12, old55 said:

I'm saying Martin for Caddy straight swap, not pick 13 + Martin.

If that's the case every day of the week and twice on Sunday's. Not sure that GC would warm to it though.

  On 15/08/2012 at 07:00, Demon Forever said:

Guys and Gals,

I am still hearing that GC are entertaining MFC with the thought of having Caddy with a Bail and our last round one pick? Is anyone else hearing this?

From what I have been told Melbourne are declining the offer as Bail is apparently not a tradeable player. Although some are leaning towards it more and more....

Does anyone know where Bail is from?

Recruited from Mt Gravatt Qld

  On 15/08/2012 at 07:00, Demon Forever said:

Guys and Gals,

I am still hearing that GC are entertaining MFC with the thought of having Caddy with a Bail and our last round one pick? Is anyone else hearing this?

From what I have been told Melbourne are declining the offer as Bail is apparently not a tradeable player. Although some are leaning towards it more and more....

Does anyone know where Bail is from?

He is from Qld as 1re1be posted.

Bail and 13 for Caddy will tempt some but I know that the FD rate Bail so they may not like this.

I am not that keen on it either but would do it if we could spin a pick back our way.

Don't get the Caddy love. Very meh.

  On 15/08/2012 at 07:00, Demon Forever said:

Guys and Gals,

I am still hearing that GC are entertaining MFC with the thought of having Caddy with a Bail and our last round one pick? Is anyone else hearing this?

From what I have been told Melbourne are declining the offer as Bail is apparently not a tradeable player. Although some are leaning towards it more and more....

Does anyone know where Bail is from?

No offense to Bail but if it was up to me it would be a done deal in seconds. The guy tries his heart out but his disposal just has not improved

  On 15/08/2012 at 09:07, AdamFarr said:

Don't get the Caddy love. Very meh.

In his second year so cant expect too much, but my word he has potential and his older brother was described as a 'viking'. A hard nut that for too long our club has avoided.

Would do that deal in a heartbeat. Can't see GC17 wanting Bail tho - his foot skills are terrible and he wouldn't improve their side.

Why would we pick a bloke that wants to play for essendon?

Stuff him.

At a minimum as long as caddy doesn't end up at hawthorn I'll be happy I'm sick of everyone wanting to go there and hawthorn get the player and give up peanuts

Yep - I would do 13 and Bail in a heartbeat too. Caddy will be a gun - he's effectively a first year player.

  On 15/08/2012 at 09:57, Norm Smith said:

In his second year so cant expect too much, but my word he has potential and his older brother was described as a 'viking'. A hard nut that for too long our club has avoided.

Considering he was injured for most of last year, he has had a decent year.

People want to see more and Caddy to dominate but if that were the case, we would be looking to cough up pick 3. Posters rave about Viney's attack. Caddy has that.

Pick 12 n Martin for Caddy might be a touch overs so maybe a Pick 12 n Martin for Caddy and GC pick 22.

It if comes to push and shove, i would give up 12 and Martin for Caddy.

  On 15/08/2012 at 09:57, Norm Smith said:

In his second year so cant expect too much, but my word he has potential and his older brother was described as a 'viking'. A hard nut that for too long our club has avoided.

I played footy against his brother as a jnr and then with him for a little while when I was older. He really developed into a good player and was very hard at it. I like the look of his kid brother. I'd trade Bail for him. I don't see Bail's skill level improving and I don't see him winning enough inside ball. Caddy is a no brainer in that swap.

  On 15/08/2012 at 11:38, The heart beats true said:

I played footy against his brother as a jnr and then with him for a little while when I was older. He really developed into a good player and was very hard at it. I like the look of his kid brother. I'd trade Bail for him. I don't see Bail's skill level improving and I don't see him winning enough inside ball. Caddy is a no brainer in that swap.

Bail is not an outsider - he just has pace.

Agree his disposal needs work. Nate Jones has improved here so would not give up all hope of Bail getting better in the future.

  On 15/08/2012 at 03:41, old55 said:

Martin is surplus IMO. He's hopeless forward. Jamar is #1 ruck and Spencer is his depth. Clark is forward-ruck and that's why we need to solve the extra key forward problem. There's no way Jamar, Martin, Clark and another key forward are all in the 21. Fitz is ahead of Martin forward.

I would certainly like an up to date prognosis on Clark's recovery before I would consider this though.

And interesting that you see Fitz > Martin as a forward considering he has had ? 2 games. I am disappointed that we haven't seen more of Fitz especially when we have been so short of tall timber up forward since Clark's injury; after all it is an experimental season.

The latest whisper on the AFL site is Moloney & pick 13 for Caddy.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

  On 15/08/2012 at 09:56, Norm Smith said:

No offense to Bail but if it was up to me it would be a done deal in seconds. The guy tries his heart out but his disposal just has not improved

I'm more then happy to get that deal done. Don't know why the footy club is in love with bail so much.

  On 15/08/2012 at 20:59, Chippy said:

The latest whisper on the AFL site is Moloney & pick 13 for Caddy.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

Fairly sure that was the 'fantasy' trade for us and not based on anything substantial.

  On 15/08/2012 at 11:57, Left Field said:

Agree his disposal needs work. Nate Jones has improved here so would not give up all hope of Bail getting better in the future.

Jones didn't come from anywhere near as low a base as Bail though. Jones had too many rushed "kick and hope" type kicks; his issues were more around decisions and timing. Bail just misses the target. I haven't thought about it very hard at all, but off the top of my head I can't think of any players in recent times who have managed to transform their kicking to such a degree that Bail needs to. I only draw examples like Ward, Godfrey et al who started out terrible and weren't any better by the end.

  On 15/08/2012 at 22:44, Nasher said:

Jones didn't come from anywhere near as low a base as Bail though. Jones had too many rushed "kick and hope" type kicks; his issues were more around decisions and timing. Bail just misses the target. I haven't thought about it very hard at all, but off the top of my head I can't think of any players in recent times who have managed to transform their kicking to such a degree that Bail needs to. I only draw examples like Ward, Godfrey et al who started out terrible and weren't any better by the end.

I saw Jones is a couple of practise matches a few years ago and his problem was as much trying to run into space, often across the rgound and not to his natural side. He then tended to fluff kicks across the flow of play, miss the target and gift the opposition a clear run at their goals. I think what has changed with Jones, as much as anything else, is a bit of composure and an understanding of his own limitations. Lowering your eyes to hit a short target in these circumstances is almost always better than trying to kick long to the (less likely) second target.

Bail seems to lack confidence to me. His kicking action is average for a small player but not fundamentally flawed. He also connects OK on his left. But it the decision making that sometimes sucks. Think he would look better with more spread and up field targets presenting at him as well.

But you are right, his kicking effectivenes (especially) is dreadful atm and must change for him to be a starting 22 player.

Robbo was a really bad kick at goal for a couple of years before he got his action correct. Admittadly goal kicking is not field kicking but IIRC Robbo came off a low base and became quite a good shot.

  On 15/08/2012 at 20:59, Chippy said:

The latest whisper on the AFL site is Moloney & pick 13 for Caddy.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

That would be a great trade for us. I see Moloney has been dropped again this week, so I think his future is being made quite certain to him - TRADE!

You could add to the Molony plus pick 13 trade with Bate & Bennell for all I care. We would be getting a future A grade mid for blokes who are 'ok' at best.

Add in a word on the side to not bid for Viney. GWS tanking for Whitfield anyway.