Duckers and chuckers...get a leg up from Umps

[Robbie57 2,001]

I am sick of Rules and their exploitation ruining the game.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/were-not-duckers-claim-eagles-20120424-1xhw2.html

Chuckers:

When did it become ok just to drop the ball when tackled or in one of the ever increasing scrums?

Letting go of the ball is an incorrect disposal.

Duckers:

This is a whole new skill set for players. A few years ago the Hawks just ran head first inot other players now its the drop down before or in a tackle (so its a bit rich for them to complain now). Lets not reward it. Soccer has penalties for diving in the box maybe we need the same.

Ruck and Maul:

On the couch last night they noted how much the game looks like rugby. Its ruining the game. 18 blokes around a stoppage is just hopeless. Of course we have the frees where the opposition drag the ball under someone on the ground then hold it in to milk a free. Again no one is disposing of the ball correctly in close as the ball is pushed and thrown in an attempt to get it out. do we need to limit the number of players allowed in one half of the ground?

Interchange frees are too big a penalty when in the front half of the ground.

Any others?

[daisycutter 29,296]

I am sick of Rules and their exploitation ruining the game.

http://www.smh.com.a...0424-1xhw2.html

Chuckers:

When did it become ok just to drop the ball when tackled or in one of the ever increasing scrums?

Letting go of the ball is an incorrect disposal.

Duckers:

This is a whole new skill set for players. A few years ago the Hawks just ran head first inot other players now its the drop down before or in a tackle (so its a bit rich for them to complain now). Lets not reward it. Soccer has penalties for diving in the box maybe we need the same.

Ruck and Maul:

On the couch last night they noted how much the game looks like rugby. Its ruining the game. 18 blokes around a stoppage is just hopeless. Of course we have the frees where the opposition drag the ball under someone on the ground then hold it in to milk a free. Again no one is disposing of the ball correctly in close as the ball is pushed and thrown in an attempt to get it out. do we need to limit the number of players allowed in one half of the ground?

Interchange frees are too big a penalty when in the front half of the ground.

Any others?

double penalty

Free is given to sideA then sideA infringes and sideB gets the free

Correct decision should be a cancellation not a reversal -> ball up

Otherwise it is effectively a DOUBLE penalty

Infringement off play

Play on half back. Infringement on half forward. Free taken at Half Forward - should be at point of play

Effectively a free kick plus 100 metres

Same with 2nd shot on goal with infringement after goal scored - should be taken at centre

etc etc

[Forest Demon 4,681]

I am completely disillusioned at the state of umpiring and rule/interpretation changes in our game. Living in the northern states and having friends who follow other sports and are interested in watching games, it is almost embarrassing trying to explain some of the rules and interpretations. For me, the rules need to simplified, stripped back to the core of the game, and left alone.

[skills32 229]

For me, the rules need to simplified, stripped back to the core of the game, and left alone.

They were once.

[Weedster 174]

I am sick of Rules and their exploitation ruining the game.

http://www.smh.com.a...0424-1xhw2.html

Chuckers:

When did it become ok just to drop the ball when tackled or in one of the ever increasing scrums?

Letting go of the ball is an incorrect disposal.

Duckers:

This is a whole new skill set for players. A few years ago the Hawks just ran head first inot other players now its the drop down before or in a tackle (so its a bit rich for them to complain now). Lets not reward it. Soccer has penalties for diving in the box maybe we need the same.

Ruck and Maul:

On the couch last night they noted how much the game looks like rugby. Its ruining the game. 18 blokes around a stoppage is just hopeless. Of course we have the frees where the opposition drag the ball under someone on the ground then hold it in to milk a free. Again no one is disposing of the ball correctly in close as the ball is pushed and thrown in an attempt to get it out. do we need to limit the number of players allowed in one half of the ground?

Interchange frees are too big a penalty when in the front half of the ground.

Any others?

You are so right.

It is impossible to know what now constitutes incorrect disposal. A throw is seemingly now ok ??

And the lottery that follows players piling on top of each other is a complete farce.

Changes initiated by Geischen and his cohorts who think they somehow need to justify themselves under "rules of the game" are a joke.

[McQueen 17,864]

That stupid bloody interchange infringement rule.

Sure a free-kick if you have to give something but the 50m penalty is way over the top and it often results in a goal.

[drdrake 3,117]

Hawthorn have a lot to answer for, they complain about ducking, Sam Mitchell has been doing this for years, dropping the ball again Sam Mitchell has been doing this for years. The more concerning part about the dropping the ball is clubs are doing this to advantage, they see there team mates and drop it near them, most clubs MFC just drop it to the nearest player and usually it is the opposition.

Holding the ball is the other, how long does the player get. You can spin them three times, they can drop the footy and you still don't get a kick. The only time you know a kick will be awarded is the run down from behind and they even get that wrong with players actually kicking the footy refer to Magner on Sunday.

[deanox 9,641]

My solution to the scrum/holding the ball on the ground crap is simple. If you aren't the player with the ball orthe tackler, if you jump into a contest you are penalised. So many players run in and dive across the contest to kill the ball. The third player in invariably is tackling/holding a player who doesn't actually have the ball, that's holding the man, you can't tackle the tackler! Or they just jump on backs. pay it against these infringements and watch ther game open up again.

[Robbie57 2,001]

My solution to the scrum/holding the ball on the ground crap is simple. If you aren't the player with the ball orthe tackler, if you jump into a contest you are penalised. So many players run in and dive across the contest to kill the ball. The third player in invariably is tackling/holding a player who doesn't actually have the ball, that's holding the man, you can't tackle the tackler! Or they just jump on backs. pay it against these infringements and watch ther game open up again.

Very good idea. By jumping in and killing the ball its not helping anyone clear it.

Hawthorn have a lot to answer for, they complain about ducking, Sam Mitchell has been doing this for years, dropping the ball again Sam Mitchell has been doing this for years. The more concerning part about the dropping the ball is clubs are doing this to advantage, they see there team mates and drop it near them, most clubs MFC just drop it to the nearest player and usually it is the opposition.

Holding the ball is the other, how long does the player get. You can spin them three times, they can drop the footy and you still don't get a kick. The only time you know a kick will be awarded is the run down from behind and they even get that wrong with players actually kicking the footy refer to Magner on Sunday.

I'd like to see the stats on this and on the home game advantage in free kicks. I have no doubt West coast get more frees at home than anywhere else whilst I bet our average at the MCG is low.

[Vipercrunch 2,820]

My solution to the scrum/holding the ball on the ground crap is simple. If you aren't the player with the ball orthe tackler, if you jump into a contest you are penalised. So many players run in and dive across the contest to kill the ball. The third player in invariably is tackling/holding a player who doesn't actually have the ball, that's holding the man, you can't tackle the tackler! Or they just jump on backs. pay it against these infringements and watch ther game open up again.

I like that - it would allow the holding the ball rule to be simplified so much. No more prior opportunity interpretation. If you get tackled so well that the ball cannot disposed of semi-correctly (ie no blatant throws or drops) , you are gone. Most players should be able to get rid of the ball with one tackler, unless the tackle is perfect, and therefore should be rewarded. Easy to umpire.

[Gorgoroth 12,695]

I want to know how you handball over your head within a split second. I thought the holding hand had to be still.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,012]

I'd love to see the throwing rules enforced. The ball has to be propelled by the striking hand, not the one holding the ball. How often do you see players swing the ball and give it the slightest brush with their knuckle on the way past. How about the diving handball pioneered by Scott West and picked up by many others? Pick up the ball, dive forwards and flick the ball out with both hands. The Umps have never had the guts to call it a throw.

As for the current version of correct disposal which declares that it is ok to simply drop the ball when tackled, I seem to recall last year a Melbourne player was called for holding the ball when he was tackled, had the ball jarred loose and managed to kick it for a goal on the half-volley. The Geisch said that this was a correct decision, and within weeks was telling the world that dropping the ball was preferable to being caught still in possession. Consistency? I think not.

[Chook 14,988]

If you pay chuckers vigorously, then the rolling maul will stop. If you have any control over the ball and you're tackled and the ball spills out, then it should always be dropping the ball. Apparently there's no "dropping the ball" rule, but there is an incorrect disposal rule, so pay it.

Sometimes you have a rolling maul where nobody has possession for about a minute and there's no ball up. To me, that's some of the most exciting stuff in the game. I love those moments when the ball is in dispute. I don't love it when a player picks up the ball, is immediately tackled and the ball drops free. Pay incorrect disposal (dropping the ball) if he's legitimately got it or pay holding the man if he doesn't.

Edited April 24, 2012 by Chook

[Chook 14,988]

My solution to the scrum/holding the ball on the ground crap is simple. If you aren't the player with the ball orthe tackler, if you jump into a contest you are penalised. So many players run in and dive across the contest to kill the ball. The third player in invariably is tackling/holding a player who doesn't actually have the ball, that's holding the man, you can't tackle the tackler! Or they just jump on backs. pay it against these infringements and watch ther game open up again.

Great point. Totally agree. I reckon the only chance the "stacks on" situation will ever stop is for the interpretation to change to your suggestion. Unfortunately the only way that'll happen is if someone gets seriously injured by having a broken leg or their head crushed under the pack.

[Craig Drinker 179]

West Coast masters of stretching the rules!

Had a fantastic gift for turning skinny recruits into muscle bound gladiators over one pre season in the 90's. Hmmmm!