Team Talk - Back Seat Brent

[rpfc 28,772]

Something that has dominated my thinking since the announcement is the role Brent Moloney takes on gameday.

We all see him revving up the players and talking to them in the huddle before games and at every break.

I mentioned earlier in the year that Moloney should not take these talks in lieu of Brad Green.

Now with a 20 year old and a 22 year old in charge I am debating in my head the merits of taking what is usually the domain of a captain and giving it to someone who isn't even in the Leadership Group.

I am still of the belief that this is important to how a captain is seen and recieved on the field and I would like someone at the club to tell Brent to let his captains have this duty.

Thoughts?

[H_T 3,049]

I'm pleased that the club has already announced the captaincy. Timing is everything and a few weeks grace before the first NAB game will allow both old and new LG personnel a chance to become somewhat familiar with their new role(s). Announcing it much closer to the NAB games or during the games leading into the season proper may not have been desired by some (I'm guessing here). This way, with more time it gives everyone a chance to become familiar with responsibilities as such.

I agree that it's important on how a captain is seen and received on the field (even off-field for that matter), I'd have some confidence in the LG players, even some of the senior players (former LG) as far as support and guidance goes with discussing duties such as talking to players before, after games and during breaks. But ultimately the buck stops with the Captain, or in our case co-captain, and they should see to it.

A different voice and communication will be refreshing. There's still a place for some ra ra ra, but in small doses and when required might be the tonic.

[Demonsterative 3,020]

I want Beamer to be his natural self. If he goes too far its the leadership groups role to pull him into line. I want 46 leaders on the list.

[Lutz 76]

Being a dominant and loud personality and pushing your way to the front every time, does not equate to being a good leader.

I'll back the captains to put him in his place if they feel they need to.

[rpfc 28,772]

Is it usually the domain of the captain? One constant at footy clubs is that new leaders present themselves on the field and on the track every week and often the best leaders at a club never have any official leadership role, people just follow them & it does not make someone less of a leader because they don't have initials next to their name.

All this focus on who is in and out of Leadership Groups is probably a non-event for players themselves and I would expect Beamer to be as vocal as ever.

The new leadership is about developing more leaders, not discarding those we already have.

I want Beamer to be his natural self. If he goes too far its the leadership groups role to pull him into line. I want 46 leaders on the list.

Yes, yes, ra, ra, ra.

I am talking about a specific role usually played by the captain. Why?

Because it is dilution of their authority if they are not doing it.

Of course, Brent will continue to lead on the field, as if that was my argument...

I am saying that the last person to gather the soldiers together and give them direction should be the people the club has decided are the best people to gather the soldiers together and give them direction.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

Lol at 46 leaders on a list, doesn't even make sense. Who will they be leading? Themselves?

I don't care who gives the G up, as long as they respond and conform to their captains what's the difference?

[rpfc 28,772]

From my experience playing footy, it is almost always the most experienced players that will rev the team up prior to a big game, rather than the captain. Never once have I considered this a dilution of the authority of the captain, footy clubs have dozens of leaders, who does what pep talks & who has what title is of little importance to the players.

We all have differing views, I see it as a dilution of the captains authority, and I see it as his responsibility.

I have felt this as captain, as a member of a LG, and as just another player.

[Lutz 76]

Bingo bango.

[rpfc 28,772]

I will say this - I feel more strongly about this when the captain is fledgling or struggling to put is imprint on the position. Green was struggling as captain and the last thing he needs is for Moloney's helping hand in the form of his voice.

If you command respect as the leader and there are no questions surrounding your role then it would be easier for another to do this duty.

[Demonsterative 3,020]

Lol at 46 leaders on a list, doesn't even make sense. Who will they be leading? Themselves?

I don't care who gives the G up, as long as they respond and conform to their captains what's the difference?

If a player is down on confidence, or isnt structuring properly. The 46th player or 22nd can show leadership with a gee up or pointing a player to stand in position (structure up). Thats leadership. Ill refrain from insults sloonie

[Demonsterative 3,020]

Rpfc, not every post is not in relation or responce to you

[rpfc 28,772]

Rpfc, not every post is not in relation or responce to you

I started the thread, Demonstrative.

It's not likely I was going to stay out of the discussion.

[Demonsterative 3,020]

No need to belittle posts. Not asking you to not reply starting the post or not

[daisycutter 29,737]

We all have differing views, I see it as a dilution of the captains authority, and I see it as his responsibility.

I have felt this as captain, as a member of a LG, and as just another player.

It all depends on context

as long as non captains aren't seen to be usurping but supporting the captain then it should be fine

always hard to judge from the bleachers

[rpfc 28,772]

No need to belittle posts. Not asking you to not reply starting the post or not

I apologise for the 'ra, ra.'

I mistakenly thought you were being flippant with your 46 leaders comment.

I still hold to the point that it is tough to be a fledgling leader when others are usurping your authority.

It's not of great importance, but I believe it will help the two boys settle if they are given this opportunity to have 20 sets of eyes and ears on them and 20 mouths shut tight.

[rpfc 28,772]

It all depends on context

as long as non captains aren't seen to be usurping but supporting the captain then it should be fine

always hard to judge from the bleachers

We both used 'usurping'!

It's a good word!

And, yeah, different strokes. But I think it applies in these particular circumstances.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I dont see a problem if the issue of up staging is not present. Moloney is clearly more extroverted than others. Players address pre and during game pressure differently. So long as each players preferences/antics are assessed as being to the betterment of the team then it should be OK. Its something for the FD to monitor. The FD has made a big call on the leadership group. The FD need to ensure that they back them to the hilt.

[daisycutter 29,737]

We both used 'usurping'!

It's a good word!

And, yeah, different strokes. But I think it applies in these particular circumstances.

yeah a great word. i also have a soft spot for 'wafting'. so poetic

we should start a thread on 'my favourite words'?

[Demonsterative 3,020]

IMO opinion good leaders recognise strengths and weaknesses in the people they lea d. They will utilise the strengths and pull ppl up when needed. Beamer does rev up the troops but can go too far at times. I see the two Jacks allowing Beamer to continue to use his motivation skill, but pull him up when he goes too far.

Good thread rpfc

[Sir Why You Little 37,125]

As long as Beamer does not ever play again if he has the flu i don't mind what he yells out. That killed his chances of being a recognized leader of the team IMO.

[Demonsterative 3,020]

WYL he is our best midfielder. Unless i read your post wrong. He is still very important to our team. Regardless of being a recognised leader or not.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

Is it usually the domain of the captain? One constant at footy clubs is that new leaders present themselves on the field and on the track every week and often the best leaders at a club never have any official leadership role, people just follow them & it does not make someone less of a leader because they don't have initials next to their name.

All this focus on who is in and out of Leadership Groups is probably a non-event for players themselves and I would expect Beamer to be as vocal as ever.

The new leadership is about developing more leaders, not discarding those we already have.

"The new leadership is about developing more leaders, not discarding those we already have." Summed up fantastically, Torpedo. Very good reflection on this issue.

[H_T 3,049]

It's also about suggesting the pressing of the 'mute button' somewhat for someone, to enable the development of more leaders. That's the true reflection.

[Guest Thomo]

but I believe it will help the two boys settle if they are given this opportunity to have 20 sets of eyes and ears on them and 20 mouths shut tight.

How do you see this happening with two captains? It will be interesting to see if one plays a passive role, or if the players naturally gravitate to one.

[DemonWA 3,936]

I wouldnt go out of my way to tell brent to tone down his onfield voice or his passion, i think that we'd like to see the same #22 as we had last year