This thread is totally ridiculous.

Skinny talls normally take a few years to mature...to judge someone after one game is completely imature in a football sense.

  On 27/09/2011 at 21:42, Adzman said:

A guy named Steph Martin got dragged over the coals at the end of last season, and he ended up being a saving grace for 2011.

A guy named Jamar had the same treatment on here 2 years earlier, and has gone on to become a premier ruckman in this competition.

I think it is fair to say we shouldn't be making a call on a young tall after 1 game of footy. Give him another 2 years to find his place.

Martin, Jamar, Garland, Frawley, Watts, Gawn and now Fitzpatrick. They've all been given the 'dud and delist' treatment here early in their careers by posters who don't understand the development required to get tall players up to AFL standard.

Lots of players debut poorly (Frawley, Jamar etc...) and especially big fellas. Fitzy's debut was particularly poor and his basic skill set looked vulnerable. Having said that, Newton's skills are of a very high standard yet his efforst at AFL level are so bad. It is his average ability at marking and his horrible kicking action that are the main worry. If these are poor at training and in Casey games, imagine what Collingwood, Hawthorn or Geelong would do to them?

The biggest issue for him are the players who are ahead of him for the kind of spot in the 22 that he might fill.

Tall Forwards: Watts, Cook, Martin,

Rucks: Jamar, Gawn, Spencer,

Defence: Garland, Frawley, T McDonald, Rivers

As for being quick, both Watts and Martin are quicker.

I don't think Fitzy is going to make it but we do have to give him time to find that out. And there are others who need to be delisted/traded before him. I think he should remain with us for another two years.

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I don't get where this myth about him being poor overhead has started.

  On 27/09/2011 at 10:43, Nasher said:

I stopped reading here.

You read too much.

I'm still reading.

I like to read!

Knowledge is power!

"Convince me Jack Fitzpatrick will make it"

Why?

Someone convince me that "the master" will make it.

He's been a member of Demonland for just over 2 years and is still coming up with a thread such as this. I could maybe ignore it if it was a first week poster, but to deliver this after being on the member list for over 2 years is a worrying sign.

Please convince me otherwise.

  On 28/09/2011 at 00:50, 45HG16 said:

Please convince me otherwise.

He was allegedly a skinny 200cm raw kid when he first registered. It takes time and patience. Showed good form in the Best 18 thread, but his team he drafted was horrible all year. Has the ability to make amends and improve.

  On 27/09/2011 at 22:06, Rhino Richards said:

Do you ever read your posts?

Maybe because as a junior his laziness was attributed to CFS.

I am not sure what "rocket": you refer. Are you referring to issues with his training? Care to spill the beans?

Rino, you obviously don't read peoples posts. Or jump to your own conclusions of what you think you've read.

I posted that 'Yes', he had CFS, but when in the U-18's you could see when he had energy, he was still slack.

This was evident in his second Yr of U-18's. I didn't see much of him in his first year, but could see his talent alongside that of Tyrone Vickery & others. Mind you I didn't see the attraction Re Scully as the others except his busyness. I was concerned about this Lad.

Fitzpatrick, appears to be a bit laconic, so IMO needs to get more desperate about how he goes about his footy. To lose the Layed back ways.

He needs to hit the Gym the Hardest he's ever done. He needs to Improver his fitness a lot. And he needs to work on getting Hungrier for the contest and the ball. I think he has enormous talent, but that is nowhere near enough on it's own, & can be a huge problem causing complacency.

  On 27/09/2011 at 12:14, Davey said:

I guess all players can't be as good as Dean Polo from day one.

Brilliant!

Btw, like your avatar, in the context of this thread.

On a different note - why don't we consign Jack to the same bin as those other early Demonland-proclaimed duds Col Garland and Rohan Bail?

Jack has shown enough to indicate that he is well worth further substantial investment of time on our part.

  On 28/09/2011 at 00:30, Axis of Bob said:

I don't get where this myth about him being poor overhead has started.

I don't know about myth, though i can't really comment on his form in the VFL, but as a junior he was a very poor mark for his size.

  On 27/09/2011 at 08:48, dee-luded said:

As a junior he appeared Lazy. And he also got that CFS.

Who cares what his marking was like as a junior! I saw him a couple of times at Casey.He is a strong mark and attacks the ball hard.He is also very quick.

I think he could be the power forward we are looking for once he gets a few games under his belt.

  On 28/09/2011 at 01:29, FairBump PlayOn said:

Who cares what his marking was like as a junior!

Just saying, that's probably where the "myth" that AoB is referring to started....

Jack Fitzpatrick has played one game....i'm more worried about our struggling senior players...will they regain form? ie., Davey.

Nutbeans law - never pot a player under 23 yea......ahhh forget it ...

  On 27/09/2011 at 23:18, maurie said:

We've had threads about how good it would be to recruit a big power forward like Chris Dawes.

He was Collingwood's pick 26 in 2006. He spent most of 2007 recovering from a knee reconstruction, played six games at the end of the 2008 season, then only four matches in 2009. Then he wasn't picked for the first four matches of 2010.

But after that, he played 20 matches including the two 2010 Grand Finals.

Imagine if Collingwood made a 'tough call' after three years on their list, and delisted him for being such a 'dud'?

Off topic, but Chirs Dawes is the most overrated player in the comp. Plays 2nd fiddle in a premiership team but gets talked up like thes the Coleman medalist.

Like the Linsay Gaze line around if you're under 6"4 you have 5 minutes to convince him you can play. If your over 6"4, you have 5 years.

  On 28/09/2011 at 01:05, dee-luded said:

Fitzpatrick, appears to be a bit laconic, so IMO needs to get more desperate about how he goes about his footy. To lose the Layed back ways.

Your description of the Fitz sounds as though it could equally be applied to a certain Colin Garland... care to comment on his abilities and how a laid back approach is detrimental to his game?

  On 28/09/2011 at 02:28, DemonWA said:

Off topic, but Chirs Dawes is the most overrated player in the comp. Plays 2nd fiddle in a premiership team but gets talked up like thes the Coleman medalist.

Actually, if it wasn't for Dawes effort last weekend, the Pies wouldn't be playing this weekend.

  On 28/09/2011 at 02:57, hardtack said:

Actually, if it wasn't for Dawes effort last weekend, the Pies wouldn't be playing this weekend.

Spot on Hardtack

  On 28/09/2011 at 02:56, hardtack said:

Firstly, I didn't mean to "Like" your post... how does one "unlike"?

Try coming back to the post after a refresh and press the "Unlike" button

  On 28/09/2011 at 03:09, H_T said:

Try coming back to the post after a refresh and press the "Unlike" button

Beat you to it... noticed it when I went back and fixed it up. Thanks anyway :-)

  On 28/09/2011 at 02:57, hardtack said:

Actually, if it wasn't for Dawes effort last weekend, the filth wouldn't making up numbers this weekend.

Fixed

Not saying he doesnt haev value, but he's not the superstar that many make him out to be IMO